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Gird Your Loins: Seton Hall vs. Rutgers Is Finally Here

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Last week, No. 4 Syracuse battled No. 10 Georgetown to a thrilling and emotionally-draining 75-71 victory in front of 19,976 in Washington D.C.  This was on the heels of the two team's first meeting, a 73-56 win by then-No. 4 Syracuse over then-No. 12 Georgetown in front of 26,508 rabid Carrier Dome fans.  Both times, rival fans campaigned for their teams and verbally-assaulted their opponents for days and the celebration afterwards was memorable, at least for Cuse fans.

Still, I think we all have to set aside our biases from time to time to admit the irrefutable truth and this is one of those times. 

Syracuse vs. Georgetown is not a rivalry.  It's not even meaningful. 

Seton Hall vs. Rutgers.  Thy name is rivalry.

Ever since last July, when Pat Forde explained the intricate details and inner-workings of what makes a rivalry a rivalry, we've understood that our little Orange-Hoya playtime was just a mere placeholder until The Big Show.  Syracuse and Georgetown had two really cute games against each other.  That was so sweet the way those two teams tried to be relevant.  Of course, we know that neither team matters.  Neither does West Virginia.  Or UConn.  Or even Villanova.

No, the only two Big East teams that could possibly represent everything that is prescient and meaningful and important about the game of college basketball, the word rivalry and the mystery and meaning of life itself....are Seton Hall and Rutgers.

And that was before we knew the fate of mankind and the planet Earth would depend on the outcome of this game.

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And here's the crazy part...when Forde prophesied about the importance of this immortal showdown that will make Syracuse and UConn's six-overtime epic look like N.J.I.T. vs. Montclair State, he couldn't even fathom just how high the stakes would be:

Not a lot of attention or glory in the Rumble for New Jersey, but coaches Bobby Gonzalez and Fred Hill don't like each other and staged a memorable in-game and postgame hissing match back in 2008. With one or more of them fighting for their jobs this season, it will add to the tension.

FRED HILL IS TOTALLY FIGHTING FOR HIS JOB!!!  RATCHET THIS F**KER UP TO ELEVEN!!!

I could sit here and name all of the classic Seton Hall vs. Rutgers moments but who has the time?  (Fred Hill might soon enough).  All you need to know is, when Forde included Seton Hall vs. Rutgers on his list of the most red-hot rivalries in all the land, both teams were coming off an epic showdown in front of...8,390 people!!!  Sure, it's one thing to play in front of 26,000 screaming lunatics in the Carrier Dome...but try bringing that same intensity when you're playing in front of 8,000 mildly-interested commuters!!!  THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF RIVALRY.

So many storylines.  Hazell vs. Rosario.  Hill vs. Gonzalez.  Um...Other things vs. Some other things.  UNBELIEVABLE!!!

This year, the game has even more resonance if you can believe it.  Seton Hall is a mighty 15-10 (6-8) while the Rutgers Fightin' Fred Hills are a frisky 14-13 (4-10).  College Basketball Invitational bids are won and lost on days such as this.  It just doesn't get any better.

For reasons I don't want to get into (political), the game will not be nationally-televised.  If anything, it just adds to the mystique.  The real question you should be asking yourself is...where were you the night two mediocre Big East teams played in each in front of 7,000 people in Newark???

I know where Pat Forde will be.  He'll be expecting you...

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Wow.

They show Backyardigans to get the Hall fans into a frenzy? Okay.

Go Orange!

by MBorkowski on Feb 22, 2010 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

Wow is right.

The Pirates Who Don’t Do Anything would obviously be much more appropriate.

by NOLACuse on Feb 23, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

The big question here

is how the heck are they going to cram 200 (possibly 225) fans into the Prudential Center? Maybe Pat knows.

"My mind is focused now, in this sea of Orange" - Dickey Simpkins

by OneidaMark on Feb 22, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

This rivalry needs a name.

How about the Pat Forde memorial trophy?

by adselver15 on Feb 22, 2010 9:05 PM EST reply actions  

I like it

Someone mock it up!

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by Sean Keeley on Feb 22, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The trophy

should have a bust of Pat Forde on the top, maybe getting oggled by Ashley Judd (yes, I know she’s associated with Kentucky, but Pat Forde still has to find ways to put in a pic of her whether Kentucky is relevant or not).

by adselver15 on Feb 22, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Really with the Backyardigans?

As for Rutgers-Seton Hall, sure it’s the rivalry to end all rivalries, but personally they gotta watch their backs. Those Monmouth-Rider games and barnburners between Farleigh Dickinson and NJIT are looking to supplant this as Jersey’s top rivalry.

by RyanMcD29 on Feb 22, 2010 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Don't forget

the great rivalry between TCNJ and Kean!

by adselver15 on Feb 22, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And oh my I forgot

Princeton-Stevens Chemistry Bowl. How the hell did I fail to mention that?

Speaking of Princeton, my good friend plays for their women’s lax team. They play Hopkins this weekend. Fuck Hopkins and Go Tigers.

by RyanMcD29 on Feb 22, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Just be thankful

you don’t know. They are awful. They are Canadian, which we are actually okay with thanks to KrisJo and to a certian degree AR. Mostly they are a crappy cartoon about pretending with lots of singing and dancing. My 2 1/2 year old wanted to watch them all the time for about a 6 month strech. Now I am teaching him about point spreads and hating the Hoyas. Much better.

The Hoyas shuffled off with their twin cocktails of discontent - Dana O'neil 2/18/10

by Boscoball on Feb 22, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

nice sig

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by adirondackorangefan on Feb 23, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Fine job, Sean.

It remains one of the great mysteries how the hell Pat Forde came up with Rutgers vs. Seton Hall. If he had picked Pitt vs. WVU or something reasonable over Cuse vs. GTown I could at least understand his thinking. But for crying out loud…Pirates vs. Scarlet Knights?

by DMF on Feb 22, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely delicious article

Had me just giddy for the “Garden State Fracas”

It’s fannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn-tastic!

Go Orange(men)!

by SUmonkey on Feb 22, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

too bad I'm going to the SU game tomorrow

maybe I can get 360 on my phone….Can’t believe I’m missing this for Lady Gaga Night

"You a big orange Imma put you in the fridge!" -Stanley Robinson in response to my heckling

by Moiso13 on Feb 22, 2010 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

HOW DO I CHOOSE?!

I mean, the Cuse/Providence game is on at the SAME TIME as The Big One. Sure, I grew up a Cuse fan…and am currently wearing Cuse slippers, an orange robe, 1984-length Cuse short-shorts, and a shirt that I caught from one of those launchers at the Dome during the 03 season. (How much of this is true? Wouldn’t you like to know.) But on the other hand, Rutgers vs. Seton Hall is THE marquee matchup of perennial powers in the Big East. Fact is, the BE grew out from this tantalizingly torrid tandem of tremendously terrifying teams.

Oh…what is this that I see? Cuse/Providence is on ESPNU? The Big Game is on ESPN360? I could watch both you say? But The BIG One deserves to be on the BIG screen! If only the channels were swapped and I could watch Cuse in low def on my computer on the never-glitchy E360. Ah well, it will have to do.

<3 <3 <3 Pat Forde <3 <3 <3

by DMF on Feb 23, 2010 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

i couldn’t believe the audacity to have the Granddaddy of the Garden State not on NBC. i mean, c’mon, olympics schmolympics… HALL vs. RU !!

by emart on Feb 23, 2010 2:29 AM EST reply actions  

I hate this useless game even more now

they’re showing this on SNY (where I can sometimes get games otherwise only on ESPNU) instead of ‘Cuse v PC. But since my cable company has a little hissy fit with ESPNU, I can’t get that channel. I could go out to a bar but it may be over run by annoying Rutgers fans, seeing as this is their premier game. I hope justin.tv delivers tonight. Okay, I’m done, carry on.

by sportzbelle on Feb 23, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Oh man

I actually work for NBC, and am working on our Olympics coverage tonight. I am going to pull every string, call in every favor, and do everything in my power to put Rutgers-Seton Hall on every NBC affiliate in the country. Even better, I live in Jersey – maybe I’ll just blow off work altogether, head down to the Rock, and take in the action in person. WHO’S WITH ME?

(btw, I love the fact that we continue to beat this Pat Forde joke to death – but in fairness, it IS one of the dumbest thing anyone’s ever said)

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Feb 23, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

All over the media

For some reason I could not find a preview write-up or fan comments / trash talk about this epic game on any of the sports sites especially ESPN…..

by JackNBox24 on Feb 23, 2010 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

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