Syracuse Fans Enjoy Beating Georgetown (Shock!)
by Sean Keeley on Feb 19, 2010 11:34 AM EST
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PrintLots of post-game nuggets to unearth. First, gotta love this photo of Kris Joseph giving the Georgetown student section a salute. Is it a kiss-off? Is it a "good game, bros and bro-ettes"? Who's to say? Nice Carmelo jersey, guy. (via media.syracuse.com)
But it was the fans celebration that needs to be noted today. First up, there were plenty of bets and comeuppances sorted out last evening. We're waiting on Casual Hoya's Ode To Gerry. In the meantime, how bout one Syracuse fan's plight to "Otto the crap out of her officemate's cubicle."
That's just sound work right there. As for the fans in D.C. last night, they got their celebration on after the game. These fellas turned their good mood into a little extra cash by putting on a show on the Metro:
Erotic yet tasteful. And then there's these fans who would like Cuse to "go." I believe that's what's established here:
Cuse fans certainly got their celebration on, but did we get too much of a celebration on? That brings me to this post from a Georgetown fan, decrying Syracuse fans to be "atrocious" and "subhuman." Oh brother, here we go:
...this is by far the most classless fan base in the BIG EAST and possibly in the country, including "grown men" who have sworn at my mother during SU-GU games. And this disgusting lack of class was absolutely proven last night, in spades.
Alright. I'm sure this rant has nothing to do with the fact that Syracuse has defeated your team twice this season, including a beating in your own building last night, but...continue...
Like the Syracuse fan in a luxury box who was jawing back and forth with a Georgetown young alum that was heading out of Section 118, and decided that it was appropriate to throw a full cup of Coke on the GU fan’s sweatshirt. My wife and I watched as it happened, and wondered what could have possibly been said to make the Cuse fan decide to do that. As we were about to find out, not much at all…
Look, let's be adults here. I'm not going to say there aren't assholes in the Syracuse fanbase. I know there are. Just as I know there are assholes in the Georgetown fanbase (believe it or not). And every fanbase for that matter. People are people wherever you go.
That said, if the culminating event happened the way you say it happened, then I assure you, I ASSURE YOU, it was not an unprovoked coke-dumping. I do not condone dumping cola onto other people's sweatshirt and if a Syracuse fan did that I hope they were dealt with by security (and if they weren't, your security is almost as bad as your basketball team). But people don't just arbitrarily dump soft drinks on strangers. They don't. They don't do it to be whimsical. They don't do it as some form of performance art. They don't do it cause they're "subhuman." They do it because the dumpee did something to provoke it. Maybe the Syracuse fan started it. Maybe not. But to say that the event was 100% without provocation is naive. I'm not condoning, I'm just sayin'.
Barely a minute later, as we were exiting section 119 and about to head onto the concourse, a mousy brunette in a Syracuse tee shirt and grey North Face jacket reached up and dumped her half-full beer on my head and my winter coat, then immediately started weaving her way to escape through the crowd and pointedly ignoring my "excuse me’s" and taps on the shoulder. Not wanting to be charged with assault myself, I didn’t physically try to stop her and she escaped through the crowd. Now as to the question of what it takes to launch a Cuse fan into committing assault — apparently Liz and my discussion of whether we should take the bus or the metro home was enough to send this girl over the edge.
Again, not denying that what you're saying actually happened. But given your mental state at the time (already bothered by anything a SU fan does or says) and the possibly inebriated state of the SU fan, I think we can also put out the possibility that this Syracuse fan was actually a clumsy, inconsiderate oaf in a rush rather than a menacing, walking-atrocity with no regard for life and a taste for human flesh. Not to say it's not possible...like I said there are assholes in orange, but, it just sounds like if a Syracuse fan stepped on your foot at this point, you'd turn it into first-degree assault.
This is to say nothing of the crowd of meatheads outside the arena yelling "F—- Georgetown! F—- UConn! F—- the BIG EAST!!!" Nothing like family-friendly entertainment. (on a side note, strange they would mention two teams against whom the Orange blew huge leads but hung on for the win, helped in part by questionable officiating—late vs UConn, and early against the Hoyas—but that’s neither here nor there).
Strange that Syracuse fans would mention two teams they are 3-0 against this season? Nope. Not at all.
Or finally, as we walked home, the Syracuse fan who decided that the side of a building on 15th Street was an appropriate place to urinate. Stay classy, Syracuse.!
No Georgetown fan has ever peed on the side of a building. Never. Impossible. They are beacons of morality and justice. They take pills for that sort of thing.
Now, on some level, I’ve always known that Syracuse fans are awful.
Well at least we know your account isn't biased.
Georgetown rivalry aside, they are generally recognized as the most obnoxious at the BIG EAST Tournament—an impressive feat considering WVU fans are there, too.
Generally-recognized by who? Who is keeping track of this? Do Syracuse fans throw items onto the court during the game? Not that I recall, Senator.
So this message is for my friends and current and former colleagues, and any other of the small number of individuals who somehow survived four years in that frozen hellhole, yet managed to avoid becoming total a-holes… you ought to be ashamed of your team, your school, and your fellow alumni.
No. No. And...let me think about it...no. Fans are fans, Jacques. For every horror story of Syracuse fans you have, I can present just as many from Syracuse fans about boorish, obnoxious Georgetown fans. Just like Yankee fans can say about Red Sox fans. And Duke and North Carolina fans. And Michigan and Ohio State fans. And the Cowboy and the Redskin fans. Everyone is biased. Everyone thinks their fanbase is the best. Everyone thinks their rival's fanbase is the worst. Everyone has multiple examples to prove their point. Everyone is wrong.
You cited a handful of Syracuse fans in your diatribe. Yet there were thousands of Syracuse fans on hand in the Verizon Center (which you should be embarrassed about, if you ask me. No way would Syracuse fans ever let a Georgetown cheer take over the Dome). So you're talking about, let's say, 1% of the SU fans in the building. What about the vast majority of Syracuse fans who were on hand, cheered wildly for their team and then went about their business without incident? Maybe some of them celebrated afterward...is that so terrible?
Would Georgetown fans politely decline to celebrate had they won the game? Would Georgetown fans have all quietly left the building, got in their cars or on the Metro, gone home, made some coffee and gone to sleep without even a hint of excitement, celebration or cheering? Come on now.
I feel bad about all of the liquid-dumping. That's not cool. And if it was indeed on purpose, as you say, then I will be the first to stand up and say shame on those Syracuse fans. I don't condone physical attacks on rival fans and I don't condone wanton destruction of their property.
However, Syracuse fans are not monsters.
Just like Georgetown fans are not virginal saints.
We're all the same fans, just wearing different clothing. Some of us are jerks. Most of us are normal people. Like, 99% of us. If we're ever in DC or Syracuse together, I'll buy you a beer and we'll have a great time. And I promise I won't dump it on you. Unless you deserve it...
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wow...
this was posted as i was getting ready to add a fan post about what a great scene i thought there was at the Verizon Center (and Clyde’s) last night. Drove up with my wife to the game (my first game in a very long time). As we approached the arena and saw the Georgetown student section screaming vulgarities in the faces of every SU fan that walked by, my wife was a little apprehensive having gone to a small school with little sports history. i told her that i knew (thanks to this blog) that Clyde’s was a safe place because there would be Syracuse fans there. I did not expect to see a bar/restaurant completely overrun by Orange. It was trule amazing. Living in UVA/VT territory for the past 8 years, i haven’t felt that sort of Orange comaraderie in a very long time. All that being said, i did not witness any inappropriate ugliness from any SU fan towards any Georgetown fan. What i did witness was a scene that very much felt like a home game. Kudos to all in DC last night. Go Orange. And, as always, great writing Sean.
haha
If we’re ever in DC or Syracuse together, I’ll buy you a beer and we’ll have a great time. And I promise I won’t dump it on you. Unless you deserve it…
Awesome quote!
I still don't understand why
we should be ashamed of our team for our fans alleged behavior?
"You a big orange Imma put you in the fridge!" -Stanley Robinson in response to my heckling
So, since we are so classless, what the hell
From Casual Hoya this morning, a terror threat to their own fans:
Onto the awards.
Roll Call of the Dammed Award:
- Section 109 Row B Seats 3-10;
- Section 118, Row M Seats 9-10;
- Section 100 Row G Seats 15-16;
- Section 100 Row H Seats 15-16;
- Section 108 Row F Seats 11-16. Row E, Seats 8-9. Row D Seats 8-14. Rows A-C,
- Section 109, Row L Seats 12-15 (also Duke fans in those seats for the Duke Game)
Let the word go forth from this time and place: WE ARE PUTTING YOU TRAITORS ON NOTICE. CasualHoya is now and forever soliciting from our loyal readers, the seats in season-ticket-holding areas that are occupied by fans of opposing teams. A special CasualHoya salute to beatcuse for coming up with this idea first. What will we do with this information? We do not know. We are not ruling out an ORGANIZED CAMPAIGN OF TERROR against the offending ticketholders and their families. Or perhaps we will just give them the evil eye at holiday parties. Or maybe they will be banned from the Irish Channel (something that is quickly not becoming the badge of honor it once was). But information is power. And we want your information. So be vigilant in your sections and let shame rain down upon offenders.
Talk about staying classy.
Hilarious
I actually think he has a point. Calling out people that gave their tickets to the other team. True fans should never do that. Pretty good sleuthing. That place sounded so pro orange for most of the game it was ridiculous. Shulman even pointed out there were “thousands” of Cuse fans. Unreal.
Organized campaign of terror?
Hoya Jihad?
http://www.faceinhole.com/show.asp?id=9a6907da2131121b87
http://www.faceinhole.com/show.asp?id=acea47da21311233915e
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Yes, far worse than the WVU fans
I mean, you saw all the SU fans throwing crap on the court and trying to injure opposing coaches, right?
Go Orange(men)!
jeez sean
really? we just beat their ass, and we/ you have to apologize/ explain fan behavior to some dick-high-moral-fiber-low-dietary-fiber gtown fan?
i absolutely agreed with your post about the fans needing to stop the ridiculous behavior towards Donte Green and son at the Dome. That was beyond horrible, pathetic and supremely dickish – but really no need to tell mr gtown fan that the earth is round [sorta], water is wet and every fan-base of every team in the known universe has some dbags.
Boat shoes and Maderia hats
So I was in the bathroom at the verizon center (upper level) and everyone in there was making fun of the lack of Gtown fans, we were up a bunch and I said, " If Gtown scores 65 points, everyone gets a coupon for 50% boat shoes". Because I am normal guy, I didn’t look who was next to me I didn’t know the guy next to me was ACTUALLY wearing boat shoes. He asked if I just called him a tool, and after seeing he was not only wearing boat shoes, but also a Madeira plaid had, I did have to inform him that because of his outfit, yes he did look like a tool. Nothing more was said.
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by Sean Keeley on Feb 19, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
second level
after the game in a second level bathroom the same types of conversations were going on about how many ‘cuse fans were there and how g’town fans should be ashamed. the 3 hoya fans in there said it was because there was so much to do in DC, unlike syracuse. they then attempted a safety school chant, and threw out the ol’ syracuse students don’t even know how to spell SAT. it was priceless. the room took over with a “’cuse is in your house” chant.
Nice response Sean
“strange they would mention two teams against whom the Orange blew huge leads but hung on for the win, helped in part by questionable officiating—late vs UConn, and early against the Hoyas”
So, is this person insinuating that Syracuse’s 23 point lead should be credited entirely to the referees? Sounds like a clear thinking individual to me.
Early against the Hoyas?
Fouls were 9-3 SU around the half way point of the 1st half. G’town was in the double bonus with about 8 to play in the 1st half. Man those refs really had it out for the Hoyas.
by Matthew Ventolo on Feb 19, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I think Onuaku were so disdainful of the refs’ mistreatment of the Hoyas that they decided to sit out the last few minutes of the game in protest
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
I was there and it was going both ways
hehe.
Anyways seriously there are a ton of gtown bastards, and yea, there were a lot of drunken obnoxious SU fans. Alas, it is sports, and this is what occurs. While I didn’t see any drink pouring I saw a lot of verbal exchanges, which is what will happen when there is an intense rivalry and the home arena is one-third full of the away fans.
By the way, not sure if anyone else saw this, but pure gold during warmups. The team was heading off to the locker room about 20 minutes before tip, led by assistant coaches and graduate assistants. Security promptly barricaded the entrance to the tunnel, not believing that the tie sporting Gerry McNamara was actually a coach. It took about 10 seconds of Bernie Fine coaxing to get him let through.
Bernie Fine coaxing. That sounds dirty. God what is wrong with me?
Leave it to Georgetown security
to not recognize probably the second most well-known Syracuse player of the last decade.
In fairness
I’m sure it was just some security guy that lives in DC. Judging by the number of Syracuse fans at the game, I think it’s pretty obvious that Washington, DC doesn’t exactly see itself as Georgetown’s city.
A honest view from Hoya Nation
Looks like overall most people found the cuse fans respectful, but very loud.
http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=21526
The girl seems to be over the top. Just as it doesn’t take anything to question someone accuracy, it also doesn’t require any burden of proof to question a whole fanbases morals.
However this woman is not nearly the whiny emo poster that is Jeff Green’s Dad. Read the post where he complains about how a couple of random posters made fun of his family. Even the Gtown posters thought he went over the top.
We were numerous and loud.
In the first half the Hoyas were an easily frustrated team and too complacent on offense. Five times in the first half they were whistled for fouls after missed shots or turnovers, infractions for futile reach-ins or over-the-backs in pursuit of hopeless rebounds. The angst persisted into the second half, perhaps prodded by an overzealous Georgetown student section that virulently challenged even the most mundane of foul calls, even chanting an unprintable anatomical name toward Rautins after he fell to the court in apparent pain. Rautins received the brunt of the Hoya students’ ire, much of it for his gelled-up hair that the fans reminded him belonged on the Jersey Shore.
<a href=“http:// ”http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_lemire/02/19/syracuse.georgetown/index.html#ixzz0g0h21C5o" target="_blank">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_lemire/02/19/syracuse.georgetown/index.html#ixzz0g0h21C5o" >In battle of attrition, Syracuse holds on against Georgetown
I'm pretty sure the mother comment was about me...
I almost got kicked out for standing and cheering, the business/real estate broker in his chinos and sweater vest threatened to go get the usher, so I told him…
“your mother is a hoya and ur her bitch…” … he went and got the usher… I sat down for about two minutes… But the crowd was so crazy that he decided to give up and not pursue it further. It was a beautiful moment.
OH and the fan section in the upper decks was awesome
Soooo much orange in the Verizon Center… made me so proud!
had the same type of experience, but in the upper deck
In a section full of Syracuse fans of course my tickets would be in fron of 3 stuck up hoyas talking about French cheese for the whole first half. All game long even if i just stood up to cheer after a big three the guy behind me would yell to sit down.
At the star of the 2nd half when all of the Syracuse fans stood until the first basket, one of the hoyas behind us said this isn’t the Carrier dome. I responded “you’re right. In Syracuse we would never let the opposing fans take over the crowd.” I tried to stay polite until the end of the game, but with a minute left he asked me to sit down during a timeout and a 1 point game and I lost it. I told him he was an embarrassment to Georgetown and its fans and continued to stand. He said he’d get the usher and I told him the usher would have to throw out the entire crowd. He was literrally the only person not standing.
Then after the game while walking to the metro we had the stereotypical 30 year old hot shot alum trying to show off to his kids. He walked by myself and my three friends who had made the trip and said enjoy it while it last because you’ll be working for Georgetown grads someday. The worst part of this was that his kids can’t have been older than 5.
CUSE '13
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did he really say “questionable officiating” HELPED SYRACUSE?
Get off the bong idiot this game would have ended in a 30-point win for SU if the refs didn’t take out our big guys
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
New video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVxquLQymyI
Swear to god, I thought they were saying “Fuck you!” the entire time.
Camp Town Races
Well the only thing I observed up in Section 418 that could have been mildly inappropriate were the choruses of “Georgetown takes it up the @ss, oh a-do-da-day…” sung to the tune of “Camp Town Races” during G’town foul shots, timeouts, and other lulls in G’town fan cheering – Oh, and on the escalators heading down from the 400 level post game. Gotta give props to Section 418, 417, 419, and looked like 416 and possibly 415 for being 99% Orange and standing and being loud for the entire game.
Orange you glad it's not football season?
Read the whining from Jacques...
..and I actually went to his blog and posted up there (melcuse96). Basically said the same thing that Sean said. (Though I added that I could not condone the actions of our ’Cuse brethren acting like nincompoops.)
All teams have a-hole fans and I’ve met some ridiculous, irrational and boorish G’Town fans, UConn fans, ’Nova fans and UNC fans. When a team loses to a rival, some fans are bound to pick out certain instances to justify their hatred for the rival fan base. Face it.
While Jacques sounds like an otherwise decent guy in his replies (except for him being a fan of Boston’s pro sports teams, which in my book is downright unforgivable ;) ), I just think he went with a few isolated incidents and used his hatred of Syracuse to justify this theory that we’re the worst fans in the Big East. To borrow from Ed Lover, Come On, Son! Only G’Town fans think like that, which says enough about them as it is.
End of the day, we won, Georgetown lost, our fans talked shit and they didn’t like it. It’s only happened, I don’t know, a thousand times before during and after rivalry games.
I hope we actually keep it classy in the future, but I hope the Georgetown fans try a little harder to not color every Orange fan a heathen just because a few folks dressed in SU gear took things a little too far.
Let’s Go Orange!
Technical Foul
Can anyone who watched the game on TV explain what the double techincal foul called on Rautins and one of the Georgetown goons was all about? There appeared to be some discussion between Rautins, the G’town goon and the goon wearing black and white stripes and then a T… Granted you couldn’t hear anything from the 400 level other than the whistle.
Orange you glad it's not football season?
Sean I think the original poster is calling you out
Fun to see my post getting play on the Cuse message boards, but I’m pretty amazed that
1) People think I have the time and interest in making this up.
2) I must be leaving out key facts of the story and the “confrontation that led up to it.”
Honestly, I’m not sure why I would take the time to make up this Edited. I’m not exactly the most confrontational person around, and I wouldn’t have written anything at all about it if there hadn’t been something that really Editeded me off.
And I actually would prefer that it had been justified, as quite frankly, I still don’t know what would possess someone to do that. I know she certainly didn’t give any indication of why as she was running away.
But I guess that’s the glory of the internet, that there is no burden of proof required for an anonymous idiot on a message board to question someone’s credibility.
HA
No burden of proof required for an anonymous idiot to question someone’s credibility? You mean just like there is no burden of proof required for an anonymous idiot to have a blog and question an entire fan base’s class and credibility based on one very likely embellished account?
I don’t think he left out any confrontation leading up to getting beer poured on him. But his story doesn’t exactly add up. If this “mousy” girl had to “reach up” to pour beer on him…then he must have seen her going to do it. If not, then she was behind him…maybe a step or two up and her beer slipped out of her hand. If this is the case, he didn’t see her “reach up” at all and, even if she did do it on purpose, he really doesn’t know that it was intentional. And if she “immediately started weaving” how did he tap her on the shoulder repeatedly? I thought she was mousy and shifty and got away? Look, he probably didn’t make up that some beer was spilled on him, but the circumstances are likely embellished because he was so pissed off at the time and willing to assume the worst case scenario. That doesn’t excuse her for not stopping to apologize, but it’s probably better that she took off given that, as he said on HoyaTalk, “if [my wife] found her, [she] would not have hesitated getting in a few good shots, and maybe a bodyslam.”
Oh! Quick story for the road. My friend met a Hoya fan who challenged her to, “Name one black Syracuse player that has graduated in the last 10 years.” Thus, based on this one Hoya fan, I am completely comfortable assuming that all Hoya fans are racist. Ridiculous.
Kueth Duany
Not sure he’s black enough though.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Feb 19, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
On the way out...
In the stairwell on the way down from section 410 we got a “Let’s go orange!” chant going. The eight Hoya fans at the game tried to drown us out with, “Cuse SUCKS”…so I went with, “Scoooorebooooard….Scooooreboooard…” They immediately shut up.
AND THEN FOUR OF THEM PUNCHED ME IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD AND WATERBOARDED ME WITH BUD LIGHT!
No one has ever embellished or just made shit up on the internet. Ever. I’m not saying we were easy to get along with last night, but those guys are just being ridiculous. The real issue is that they couldn’t fill the Verizon Center with Hoya fans and they are making excuses that Cuse won and had a more vocal crowd at an away game, at least Hoya fains are being fast tracked for sainthood. Yes, we were loud and likely obnoxious, but they are fair from choirboys – their student section drew the ire of the SI.com writer for chanting unprintable things at Cuse players. If Jacques wanted to go to a game devoid of excitement and emotion, he should just become a Wizards season ticket holder and only watch college basketball games at home with his aggressive wife in a siamese slanket.
I was in 412 too.
I believe I heard your mother’s a hoya directed toward the guy threating to get the usher. Classic
CUSE '13
I was in 104 with the HOYA students
It was as always a great game…we were surrounded by Hoya fans and we wore our blue and orange proudly….some good natured ribbing but overall no big problems….UNTIL…game ends and a HOYA fan behind me SPITS on my sister-in-law and I. Now I can take ribbing and even taunting…but that crossed the line…I won’t let it ruin the game for me. I was happy to be there and support the ORANGE!! I also have met Hoya fans who are classy…they just ahve bad tastes in teams.
SU Luxury Box
Like the Syracuse fan in a luxury box who was jawing back and forth with a Georgetown young alum that was heading out of Section 118, and decided that it was appropriate to throw a full cup of Coke on the GU fan’s sweatshirt.
I knew I liked Vice-President Biden!
Orange Fans Rule!!!
Just got back to Central NY after spending the weekend celebrating in DC after we smoked those Hoya Suckas!!! I got a chance to sit in the 400s with all the other rabid Orange fans and it was awesome!! I read Mr. Jaques post and whinings about the behavior of Cuse fans at the game. There are always a few bad apples in the bushel and they were on both sides of the ball that night. Like many of you, I bleed Orange. On my way over to Clydes (great party by the DC alum!!), I was taunted and spit at by Gtown students waiting in line and it was fun. It got me all fired up because I couldn’t wait to see our team go in there and open up a can of whoop-ass. It’s a rivalry and sometimes things get ugly. But in my mind, that’s what makes it fun. Now it’s off to the Dunk to turn their blackout into an orange out. Go Orange!!!
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