Syracuse 36 - Kansas State 34: Pinstripe Bowl Champions
Syracuse won the Pinstripe Bowl. They finished the season with eight wins. Delone Carter ended his SU career by damn-near rushing for 200 yards. Doug Marrone completed his hero-arc be returning to the stadium of his boyhood (DRINK!), winning the game and officially resurrecting the program that he's dedicated his adult life to leading.
Unfortunately, no one's going to talk about any of that. No, this will forever be remembered as The Salute Game or whatever name we decide on. So, we might as well talk about it.
Let's get one thing out of the way, it was an awful, awful, awful, awful call. If the roles were reversed and that was Syracuse not getting a chance for a 3-yard two-point conversation thanks to a post-touchdown salute, we would all be in jail right now because Yankee Stadium would be in ashes and 4,000 Kansas State fans would have burned with it.
The shame of the call is that it not only robbed Kansas State of a legit chance to tie the game up (in what was already a fantastic back-and-forth game), but it also cheapened Syracuse's hard-fought victory. The way the story will be handed down, Kansas State lost the game because of the call. The truth is, they didn't "lose" the game because of the call. To be quite fair, they still almost completed the two-point conversion even from eighteen-yards out. Even then, the game would have been tied and Syracuse would have had about 1:20 left to march down the field and kick a field goal of their own.
Who knows how it would have turned out. That's the crime. I don't know who Zach Bloxam is and I think he's just a casual bystander, but I think he astutely sums it up.
I feel for Syracuse. Great win is being marred by a pathetic call. The bad call imposes on both the winner AND the loser.
By making the ridiculous call, the referee not only took the game out of Kansas State's hands but he also tainted Syracuse's victory in the eyes of "the nation." Syracuse fans know we deserved to win the game and we played our asses of to earn it. Unfortunately not many other folks will ever know that.
(By the way, if you're that ref, don't even bother trying to explain it. Just run and hide for six months and pray you never get assigned to a Kansas State home game).
(And if we really want to get technical, Syracuse got hosed on a couple awful calls in the first half, so it's not like the refs were picking on KSU. The timing of theirs was much worse but we both got it bad.)
Alright, doom and gloom over. Like I said, Syracuse did a lot of great things today that warranted celebrating. Let's celebrate them.
1. We just won the Pinstripe Bowl - Syracuse finishes the season with eight wins, the most since 2001. I know that winning the bowl game wasn't "essential" to the rebirth of the program, but I really think it was more important than we wanted to give it credit for. I also think many of us spent the last few weeks downplaying the value of a win in order to shield ourselves from a loss.
Eight wins is such a better deal than seven. It's another monkey off our back. It makes Doug Marrone look even better than before. It's a big light in the sky to every potential recruit in NYC and watching at home that Syracuse is legit. The bar has been raised for the program yet again.
We're not just a year ahead of schedule, we might be two years ahead of schedule now.
2. Offensive explosion - Gotta say, that was a curious and impressive output by the Orange. They start the game by reverting to Robinson-esque play that almost put them in a 14-0 hole way early...and then they rebounded. They scored 36 points. THIRTY-SIX POINTS. This offense! The same one that could barely move the ball against UConn and BC. THIRTY-SIX!
And 500 yard of offense. FIVE HUNDRED (498 to be exact)! I guess we were just saving up for this one since early November.
3. Marcus Sales - WHAT? Marcus Sales? MARCUS SALES? Marcus Sales. THAT Marcus Sales? Yes, THAT Marcus Sales.
Five catches, 172 yards, three touchdowns. WTF? It's like seeing a quadruple rainbow. What does it all mean? Has Sales always been this good and Marrone was just being petty cause he dogged it in practice? Is Sales pulling some kind of "final year of his contract" regiment together?
Marcus Sales began the season so far down our depth chart he wasn't even on it. He ends it with a Mike Williams-esque performance that basically carried the Orange to victory in the Pinstripe Bowl. We're going to need a few months to figure this out. In the meantime, congrats to Marcus on an amazing game. Perseverance pays off, kids.
4. Delone Carter - With a Kansas State run defense akin to certain types of holey cheese, you just knew Delone was going to have a good day. Who knew he was going to have the day to end all days. You couldn't ask for a better way to end his Syracuse career and immediately catapult himself into the NFL Draft discussion.
Delone had 198 yards on 27 carries (7.1 YPG) and two touchdowns. It was a career-best for the star RB who almost never got to play this season. Carter also moved into 3rd place on the all-time rushing list ahead of some guy named Larry Csonka. What a way to go.
5. Ryan Nassib - Nassib might not have closed the door on concerns over his long-term ability to run this offense, but he certainly quieted doubters for the foreseeable future with his performance.
Ryan finished with 239 yards and three touchdowns on 13-of-21 passing. He finished the season with 202 completions, which passed Greg Paulus for the Syracuse school record set last year (194). He also showed some extremely good poise when the Orange needed it most and did his best when the O-line couldn't handle the K-State rush.
6. Ross Krautman - The freshman kicker might have missed that extra point but it was hardly his fault alone. A bad snap and bad hold certainly played a factor. That Krautman came back afterward and booted a 40-yard field goal that ended up being the difference in the game spoke volumes about the freshman's moxie. He finished the season with 18 field goals and having hit 16 in a row. Both of those marks tied records held by Gary Anderson.
7. Antwon Bailey - Syracuse's "second" back and the guy that Delone is handing over the keys to the kingdom to, had another patented "Antwon Bailey Game." Which is to say, he contributed in more ways that just running. Bailey had 50 yards rushing and 29 through the air but he'll likely be remembered in this game for two things.
One, the almost-touchdown he had to Marcus Sales on an option-pass. Something we could see more of next year. Two, the MONSTER block he had to give Nassib time in finding Marcus Sales on a touchdown pass.
Lots more heroes and stories within the game from here but we've got a lot of videos, photos and interviews to get through. Keep the celebration going...I don't know about you but I could get used to this whole winning bowl games business...
G'ORANGE!
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In the ESPN world of paralysis by analysis
sure SU did not win in the"Eyes of the nation" by a bigus call. In my mind, yes a Su fan, never the less they won….bottom line.
You mean Nassib looked better
with time to throw (extra protection, left RB in often on big passing plays instead of sending him out as a check down receiver) and receivers who went out to make the catch (Senior Lemondrops was on the sideline most of the game, one of the few times he was in, he ran a soft route and couldn’t make the play in a key situation).
Wrote it in the start of the year, what would be HCDM’s signature win. Well, that was it.
Starting to feel pretty good about next year…
Go Orange(men)!
8-5 is so much better than 7-6
one puny win over .500 is kind of barely there. 8-5 makes the season an unqualified success and something to pitch to recruits. This was a great win in the best bowl game of the year so far and one of the best football games I’ve seen on either level. The call absolutely gives you kind of a queezy feeling, but that non-call for the holding on the 4th down play at the end of the half kept the Orange from a FG attempt that could have completely changed the end of the game. Not to mention the two personal fouls that were NOT called on K-State, or the cheap one on P. Thomas that helped them get a score. The refs were awful all game and when they finally gave us one it happened to be the highest profile call of the game. This will not diminish my joy of this win one iota.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 31, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions
I just got home
so pardon me for not quite remembering exactly when it was.
In the 3rd or 4th, we had the ball on the K-State side of the field. I think it was the 4th because it was going right-to-left from the perspective of the student section. Hell, maybe the 2nd.
Regardless, I think it was Sales cutting across the middle with the ball going right to his outstretched hands, then WHAM.
Just like A-Rod in the 2004 ALCS, I saw two Hamburger Helper gloves giving Sales titty twisters. The ball went through his fingertips and resulted in a drive-ending incompletion. NO CALL.
Also, if you want to talk about shitty breaks, how about Hogue’s surefire PIck-6 in the 1st that went through his hands and landed in the breadbasket of the K-State receiver? That was a bullshit BREAK if I’ve ever seen one. But you know what? Football games are full of bad calls, bad no calls, and game-changing bounces. We kick it OOB on the opening KO? K-State does it to start the 2nd half. We throw a crazy flea flicker to score the TD in the first? K-State does the same in the 2nd half, from nearly the same position.
K-State stacks the field left and runs back to the right for a HUUUUGE gain? We do the same. K-State splits their back out to the strong side, flipping their receiver back for a weak side run? We both did it with success.
The point is, if you want to the game, don’t let one call kill you. Winners don’t make excuses. (Although they point out the positives in their game when they lose more than they should).
K-State played a terrific f*cking game, Syracuse played a terrific f*cking game, I never expected this matchup to be so good and so intense. If anything, I felt a big loss coming.
The K-State fans couldn’t have been better guests. They are awesome, and I feel like we get along, as our teams brought out a lot in each other. No shame in any of that.
by TheRenegadePumpkin on Dec 31, 2010 12:51 AM EST reply actions
Ugh. That no-call on the holding
That no call on the play you’re referring to with Marcus Sales (when he was obviously being held) was the first thing I thought of after the awful excessive celebration call against K-State. The bad calls definitely went both ways in that game.
I’ve grown to hate college football since my days of rooting for Cuse in the 90s, so I only half pay attention to Syracuse football anymore, catching games when they’re on TV (I live out of market) and reading recaps on certain blogs. College basketball is my connection to the Cuse these days. So as a semi-outsider, over the past year I started to believe you guys on this blog were delusional in your optimism for the team. After years of just terrible play you all the sudden believed this team had a chance every Saturday. I think you real fans (as opposed to casual fans like me) deserve a shit load of credit for how you kept with this team through the bad years. Salute your team (tee hee), but give yourself a pat on the back as well.
That's why you do stick around
during the bad times, b/c a win like this means so much more when you’ve seen your team fall as far as they can (being stopped on the 1 yard line 7 times in a row). If we can keep the momentum going, I think we can easily win the BE.
Yes, it’s a great time to be a Syracuse fan. Now we don’t have to hide our heads for 3 months anymore.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Dec 31, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
BIG IMPORTANT THING!!!!
NO FALSE START PENALTIES!!!!!!!!
The Call(s)....
The only issue I take with the call was that this officiating crew was not consistent in similar instances. You can not make that call on this kid at that point in the game when you had the same kid make a catch earlier in the game and then spike the ball after a first down with no call made(minimally a delay of game). If you are going to make the call after the touchdown, you really should have made the call earlier and talk with the kids about what is and is not acceptable.
By rule both calls should be made. It makes the last one that much more tasteless when it doesn’t fit with how the entire game was called.
That being said, it takes nothing away from SU win. 12-24 months from now people will remember nothing but and Orange victory. I’m just glad shoe was not on the other foot.
Interesting tidbit from WSTM's Niko Tamurian via Facebook
“In 1996, after scoring a touchdown against Army, Donovan McNabb saluted the Cadets in the crowd. He was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. Just sayin.”
by klydefrog on Dec 31, 2010 7:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
I said that to my buddy as soon as it happened. It’s been called before.
Pretty much makes up for the no-call on the shot Nassib took when he slid in the 1st quarter.
Great win!!
Unfinished Business
by AndyKinsella on Dec 31, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Officiating......
Is like the IRS, if they want you, they’ll get you. It was an awful call, just awful, If it wasn’t an awful call then it is an awful rule, What the heck is “Calling attention to yourself”? I’ve seen players gyrate after they score like they had St. Vitus Dance, isn’t that attention grabbing? Let the kids have some fun, taunting is in the eyes of the tauntee. You just got scored on Dude, suck it up & do better. Scoring yourself is the best revenge.
Congrats to HCDM & the Orange.
Nothing Is Fool proof if you have the right fools.
Well, the good news for now is that all the controversy about the end of the UNC-Tennessee game will distract the focus from the 2 point conversion.
Don’t care what the national media says. We just won the Pinstripe Bowl. Enjoy it, folks.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
by wildcatlh on Dec 31, 2010 7:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Great win for the program
Yes it was an awful call on K-State, because it’s an awful rule that is inconsistently enforced (see the Tennessee-UNC game, where there were uncalled taunts galore). I do feel bad for both teams that this ridiculous call mars the outcome somewhat.
That being said, the officials were awful all game long. They missed obvious calls all over the field, and threw questionable flags all night. As Syracuse fans, we will not apologize ONE BIT for winning this bowl game. I was at the game as well, and it was absolutely incredible. The fans were loud, the team provided us with big play after big play, and the kids who stuck with this program through thick and thin played their guts out for Coach Marrone. I’m very proud of this team and even more excited about the direction of the program than I already was. Great win and GO ORANGE.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Dec 31, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
...and the fans who stuck with this program through thick and thin cheered their guts out too
couldn’t agree more. atmosphere was great last night. Sticking a football game in the Bronx in 30 degree weather took the cranky septuagenerian element out of the stands and just let us fans be fans. The resurgence of SU as the dominant program in the northeast began in earnest last night.
by The Invisible Swordsman on Dec 31, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
A long time coming
It was a great win, and in the end the call will be forgotten. It was a terrible call, but that is the NCAA rule. I’ve seen many a ticky tack call on celebrations (see BYU v. Washington). They have taken the rule to the absurd level.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 31, 2010 9:32 AM EST reply actions
Refs
For what it’s worth, a Yahoo story had a pool interview with the head official from the game (a BIG TEN official). He said that actually 3 refs through flags on the touchdown. So, there wasn’t just one official that threw the flag. Three officials thought it was excessive.
The head ref had trouble speaking
A few times while addressing the crowd he couldn’t remember the number of the player who committed the penalty. There was also one time with multiple penalties he didn’t indiacte which team the penalty was on.
'91 SU alum
Two observations from the flee-flicker TD
- I don’t know if it was Carter or Bailey, but whomever took the handoff and then tossed it back to Nassib then made a great block on a K-State lineman who was on the way to sack Nassib
- Nassib took the toss on SU’s 40 yard line and threw a perfectly placed bomb to Sales. That’s 60 yards in the air, perfect strike, for a TD. I didn’t know Ryan had it in him.
Sales? Who is that guy? Will he be around next year? Hope so.
'91 SU alum
Bailey
He sold it perfectly and then immediately made a big block. Everyone stepped up in this game, from the O-line to the RB’s and Sales
"I tell our players all the time, champions can play anywhere" - Charlie Manuel
by The Polish Punch on Jan 1, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I've been saying it everywhere
and it just needs to be repeated
Bowl wins
Doug Marrone: 1
Gerg Robinson: 0
Welcome back Syracuse
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Dec 31, 2010 11:41 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
two point conversion
who’s to say they would have converted from the 3 yard line. also we were running it down their throats in 2nd half. if we needed to i’m confident we could have gotten a field goal.
It was
an awesome game for me. Hadn’t seen an SU football game in awhile. Everything was perfect.
Seeing it live, the excessive celebration call wasn’t as big a deal as I’m reading now. Oh well.
Was damn good seeing all that orange in the Bronx, no?!
Didn’t see many KState fans, but did see a really touching (sorry, I’m a dork) moment on the way home. A Kstate fan (white) was swiping his whole family through the turnstiles. His card was empty by the time it was his turn to swipe himself. He was turning around to go put money on his card through the humongous crowd, and some guy (black) offered to swipe for him. They both went through and then shook hands etc. Was pretty cool. But I was already in a teary mood cause we won. :D
Proud to be orange today. Way to go HCDM and the team. And lay off poor Nancy. I think it’s endearing that she was so excited. That’s the first time I actually liked her.
Yes this win was huge
And yes we are ahead of schedule… But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Rutgers could have easily gone the other way. WVU and USF were games that we don’t win without some big breaks. We easily could have missed a bowl game.
We also still have a very bare roster which next year will be very young. We lose our best defensive players, some good back ups, 2 wrs, TEs and DC3. That is not only a lot of tallent but a lot of leadership.
I’m not saying we didn’t have a GREAT season, but that expecting improvment on it would be a mistake. It could happen, sure, but we can’t assume.
HCDM has laid a wonderful foundation and I love how our program is tracking. He’s doing it the right way. I’m proud of the product we put on the field this season.
That being said it would be foolish to think we have arrived. I just don’t want to see anyone jumping off the bandwagon if there are still growing pains
by ryanwk628 on Dec 31, 2010 4:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm a little worried about next year
We lose a ton of playmakers and leadership on the defensive side. It’s going to be damn near impossible to avoid a bit of a backslide on the defensive side of the ball. If we’re going to maintain momentum, the offense will have to step up a lot next year.
It is a concern
But I’m going to allow myself to continue to enjoy the success of 2010!
Ask me again in the spring, though, when they first practice and I realize that half of our playmakers are gone.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
We were worried
before 2009 about this team. We were worried before 2010 about this team. We’ll be worried before the 2011 team. With HCDM, I trust in him, he’ll have us doing good things.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
by PoetryInMoten on Jan 1, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, folks.
I am still furious. I’m so mad, I haven’t been able to turn on ESPN since the end of the game yesterday.
But I did want to join and take a moment… to thank you guys. Setting aside the obvious “there were bad calls on both sides” thing, which, duh, Syracuse fans have been… pretty good about this whole mess, all things considered. I’ve only seen one Orange fan, anywhere, make the asinine assertion that he was perfectly happy with that call since it “made up” for all the other bad ones; the rest of you have taken the far more humane tack of showing regret that a great game had to end like that. As an angry fan who will probably have dreams involving the Big Ten offices, napalm, and accelerants for weeks to come, it’s appreciated.
Appreciated enough, in fact, that I may actually stop sniping at you guys when you gripe about your bubble chances in February during seasons when you don’t even finish in the top half of the Big East. ;)
Seriously, while I was grumpy about having to play you guys yet again in a bowl game, I think between the Fiesta Bowl and this mess we’ve formed a little connection that will never go away. It’s not a “rivalry” thing; y’all are blameless for what happened yesterday, so we can’t hate Syracuse for the outcome. It’s a linkage, and its the sort of thing which despite the result is going to make me think warmly of Syracuse in the future as opposed to cursing your very identity.
Good luck next year, and congratulations on surfacing from all those years in the wilderness. /hattip
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by jonfmorse on Dec 31, 2010 5:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And thank you! You guys are a lot cooler than all the Jayhawks I’ve ever encountered. I’m glad we’ve laid the foundation for a rivalry that we can start when the Big East decides it needs to continue expanding its “Manifest Destiny” of a conference and swallows K-State.
Go, fight, and win.
We are
apparently
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On a different note:
Is it too late to point out that DC definitely left his DNA all over Yankee Stadium?
(with apologies to Coach K)
by Skortchaser on Dec 31, 2010 7:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He scored two touchdowns, so I guess you could say he also was dropping deuces out there.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Dec 31, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I sat in front of Donnie Simmons during the game.
One of our recruits who has given a verbal for next year. I talked with him and his parents for a bit. Seemed like a really intelligent kid. He wasn’t too happy about the way our secondary played though.
On another note, I hope Nassib and the O-line can continue playing like that next year. After seeing Nassib miss so many throws this year it was great to see him have time and put big passes right on the spot.
Syracuse '13

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