TCU To Big East Today, Start Play In 2012-2013
by Sean Keeley on Nov 29, 2010 10:00 AM EST
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When an airplane crashes, they say the worst thing that airline can do is advertising of any kind. Even advertising that promotes how safe the planes are or how sorry the company is. The idea being that regardless of your ad's intentions, they only stand to reinforce everyone's memory of the horrible crash.
Same thing applies to BP and the oil spill. Remember when they did all those ads afterwards about how bummed they were and how they were going to fix everything and all you kept thinking about was how messed up the oil spill was?
So keep that in mind when the Big East announces today that TCU is officially joining the conference. So says Dicky Weiss...
In a move designed to prop up a weak football conference, The Big East has convinced TCU to leave the Mountain West and join the league as an all sports member, sources told the Daily News early this morning. Commissioner John Marinatto and Associate Commisioner in charge of communications John Paquette both flew to Dallas yesterday for the official announcement at 1 p.m. today.
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My biggest issue with this
is that someone is encroaching on our goofy mascot territory.
Go, fight, and win.
by Alex O on Nov 29, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Have you seen the hand gesture they use to indicated "horns?"
I don’t care how good they are at football. That’s embarrassing.
(Also, I don’t know what’s going on with the rest of this photo. It was just the first Google Image Search results.)
That frog....
… is going to get the shit hazed out of him by the other members of The Octonian.
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Nov 29, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No we don’t. We play by Big 10 rules.
Syracuse '12
by blackknight76 on Nov 29, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I could see the potential name change
being one of the topics on the table at the upcoming Octonion.
Just learned this ridiculous fact from a coworker that went to TCU.
Also got this email when I told her about TCU joining the Big East:
What is your mascot? I just tried to Google it and came up with an orange…
THAT’S RIGHT YOU DID!
by voteprime on Nov 29, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
[Horned frogs] are also able to squirt an aimed stream of blood from the corners of the eyes for a distance of up to 5 feet.
Go, fight, and win.
That's pretty badass, actually.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
BFD
Otto eats barbed wire for breakfast and pisses napalm.
Oh of course
Otto is way MORE badass, but the Horned Frog is more badass than a Hoya (whatever the hell that is) and a Husky.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
that sounds like a good way
to spread diseases…. still not as bad as Rutgers though
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by ryanwk628 on Nov 29, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good move
Hope it’s true.
Those “problems” are only issues for a very, very short period. TCU joining now or two months from now completely changes the BE landscape for the better. Making sure to avoid those two questions is meaningless in the ultimate goal of this move…
I like it. Hope DePaul gets booted yesterday.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I like it.
Maybe the timing isn’t great, but I’ll take it anyway. Big East football is doing plenty on its own to get a bad rep. And hell, who knows? Maybe the BE sweeps its bowl games and the shitty season is mostly forgotten.
I'd rather go to Texas than to Cincinatti or Louisville....
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Nov 29, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
or Tampa or New Jersey or Hartford, etc. etc.
Distance is an issue sure, but it’s not like the Big East is full of must travel to schools.
At least we’ve got a major airport nearby, so there aren’t a lot of connections or the like.
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 29, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well I won't go there
But I don’t even go to Rutgers for a game, and they’re like 20 minutes from me. I go to the Carrier Dome and the Carrier Dome only!
Besides, who cares if we go to the games? The important thing is that Texas football recruits at Syracuse would get two games in their home state during their four years. That can’t do anything but help HCDM recruit.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
Keeley, there's one flaw with your analogy
In both those business moves involving advertising, the company did something wrong and the company is trying to rectify it and get back to being a safe, responsible company. Here, the conference just sucks, and the move does nothing except improve the conference. I think it’s a great move and I’m happy about it.
Italics binge
And of course when I wanted to italicize only one word the entirety of the post goes haywire. Oh well you got my point…I hope
Of course we did
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Nov 29, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Id go to Texas...
for a hoops/football game if it coincided with another event…Cowboys, baseball, hockey, something……
Nothing says Texas like a good ol' hockey game
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Nov 29, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
We won the cup and everything, guys! Really!
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 29, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
that'll be day
when gary coleman meets don flamenco
by lemonysnicket9 on Nov 29, 2010 10:39 AM EST reply actions
I'm going to wait..
For the announcement that is happens first.
Luckily I won’t have to wait long. :P Its said an announcement from the Horns is happening at 1 PM CST.
I just hate all of the speculation and want it done with already. :P
Actually...
This will accomplish a goal many who dislike the BCS system have been trying to prove and that is, how well can the TCU’s or Boise State’s hold up in a better conference through a 8-9 game schedule and the Big East gets a team that could potentially play in the BCS championship game this year if Auburn loses to South Carolina in the SEC championship game. There are some SU fans in Texas who will enjoy this, it should help recruiting aspects because now Syracuse will be shown on TV in that area once a year at least and if Nova finds a way to make it fiscally possible, that puts the Big East that much closer to a conference championship game as well (can we play that in MSG somehow?).
one down, three to go.
Big east needs to get to 12 football members so we can get a conference game. Unfortunately the big east is run by morons but hopefully they get this done.
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by orngfan on Nov 29, 2010 10:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
*conference championship game
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by orngfan on Nov 29, 2010 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
baby steps
- is either ’Nova moving up or a CUSA school. After TCU and ’Nova or the other newbie is establshed a bit (and just before our next TV contract), we go to 12 and split.
It's messier then that due to the non-football programs already in the big east for Hoops
Lot of revenue issues involved inter conference that need to be worked out.
A conference championship game at the New Meadowlands would be serious coin though.
So TCU, Nova – okay and okay. After that?
UCF and Memphis….meh
We may only need 10.
I think the Big 12 is petitioning to keep their conference game even though they will be down to 10 schools. If they get that, no reason we, as another 10 team conference (in theory), couldn’t reference their petition as reason we should have a conference game with only 10 as well.
Different circumstances
Even if Big 12 gets their petition granted, it would likely be based on the fact that the conference has had a championship game for years and lost two teams involuntarily.
We, on the other hand, would just be another 10 team conference. I think the more appropriate analogy in that instance would be to the Big 10 or Pac 10 (neither of which is permitted to have a championship game at this time). if the NCAA wasn’t going to let OSU and Penn State battle it out in a 10-team league, I don’t think they’ll be in a hurry to allow TCU and South Florida do so.
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Nov 29, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If they grant the Big 12 permission though, it would give all 10 teams conferences ammo to petition.
I wasn’t saying we would be the only conference to go after something like that.
This is a good first step
thought we should have waited until after they blow the doors off some B12 team before we made the announcement. Now we need Nova, then a good TV deal, then lure BC and MD over.
That being said, we really need to get our league on national TV…. because there is no way NJ and Penn State leftovers from PA can continue to provide the talent we need to stay competitive diluted amongst this many teams.
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There isn't enough talent even counting what Penn State takes as it is.
We need to get some southern recruits as a conference to even get competitive. If Texas becomes an area we can mine as a conference it will be a big, big help.
Another interesting note on this I read here:
One other item to note from The current four-year evaluation period for the BCS concludes in December 2011, so TCU’s past BCS rankings – three consecutive top 11 BCS rankings, including this year – will transfer to the Big East since it joined the league before the 2012-13 school year.
This will work out just fine, long enough for the ACC-16 to snap us, UConn, Pitt and ’Nova up.
ESPN is reporting the invitation has been accepted
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5862368
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Big East Basketball now has 17 teams?
How will that schedule work?
Maybe we could drop a team…like Depaul?
Or kick Notre Dame out of the conference unless they join in football.
'91 SU alum
Two repeats instead of 3
It’s not hard, and no less crazy than the current system. If football member #10 also gets an all-sports invite, it’s just one repeat (presumably a traditional rivalry if possible, and so Georgetown for us).
Good move
Traditional geography doesn’t mean squat in college football anymore. Just look at what the Big-10/Pac-10 did. It’s all about money. TCU will bring more football respect and money. I just wish Auburn had lost on Saturday, then the Big East would be adding a team from the title game.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Nov 29, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions
I tend to agree
… but the Big Ten and Pac 10’s moves don’t really make your case. Nebraska borders Iowa. Utah and Colorado border Arizona.
And Auburn still could lose their rematch with South Carolina. Their defense still isn’t very good (Oregon will kill them).
Does anyone else really feel sorry for Boise right now? I mean, they join the MWC looking to join up with Utah and TCU, and likely get a potential AQ spot for the BCS. Instead, Utah runs off to the Pac-10, TCU to the Big East, and Boise might be in a worse position than they are in the WAC.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Screw Boise
It’s what they get for making my eyes bleed every time I have to watch one of their home games on TV.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
'Nova joining in Football, too
By brother is a ’Nova grad and generous donor. He was home for Thanksgiving and told me that ’Nova will join the BE Football. They will play in a soccer stadium (PPL Park) for a few years (with 1 game/year in “The Linc”) until such a time that the Temple contract with the Linc expires.
Photo of PPL Park (seats 18,500):
'91 SU alum
Isn't it NCAA rule
For D1A team to have a 15k avg? And if you don’t meet this you can be sent to 1AA? I don’t think it is enforced but it would be very embarrassing to the Big East if Nova cannot meet this. They avg 8500 this year so where are they getting 6500 more people? The Big East teams travel very poorly so they can’t count on road teams making up for that. I am sure they can steal some of Temple’s fans but Temple only gets 20k themselves.
And how will Nova pay for the increased schollies, recruiting budget, facilities, coaches salaries, etc?
Not to mention for SU, RU, and UConn you now have another BCS team (along with PSU and BC) to compete against for the already weak NE talent pool. I will love the road trip but this is awful news for SU FB.
by KingOttoIII on Nov 29, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Plus isn’t this stadium in Chester? Isn’t Chester like Murderville, USA? Who would go there?
Syracuse '12
by blackknight76 on Nov 29, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I hear only good things about the stadium from Union supporters, so this should work short term.
Not exactly next door to campus, but beggars can’t be choosers.
Great news for Boise St
If the BCS deal stays the same. Currently the highest ranked non BCS team gets an auto bid as long as they are Top 14 in the BCS. If that rule remains then things just got easier for Boise St. Before they had to win the WAC and finish higher than BYU, TCU, Utah, the rest of the MWC, the MAC, CUSA, and the Sunbelt. Now with Utah going to the P10, TCU going to the BE, and BYU Indy things are easier.
Unless Notre Dame rights the ship someday....
"Size matters. At least in basketball." - James Arthur Boeheim
by Bernie Fine is the Man on Nov 29, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't matter
ND has a special rule to get an autobid if they’re in the top 8. The top non-AQ conference champ gets in if they’re in the top 12 or in the top 16 and above the lowest-ranked AQ champ. Any other indy or non-AQ school is just in the generic at-large pool (if they’re in the top 14).
Whether it is good for SU or bad for SU
or good for the Big East or bad for the Big East…. there is no choice regarding these events.
The good news is the Big East did what it had to do, rather than what it wanted to do.
This is ridiculous
Based here in RI and just see so many problems with this. Sure football pays the bills, but you have all those other sports (tennis, Girl’s hoops, Field Hockey, soccer) that draw 1,000 fans at most and the cost of travel now grows exponentially for those participating in those sports. How do you get from Morgantown to Ft. Worth? They’ll have to do like the Ivies and schedule weekend road trips (Friday at Columbia, Saturday at Princeton) and nothing during the week. In a perfect college world (yeah right), the Big East would bounce the catholic hoops schools and let them start their own conference. St. Johns, G’Town, DePaul, Providence, Nova if they stay behind for football, and maybe add Boston University, Xavier and form a Pope Benedict Conference. There’s some serious talent there still. Keep Notre Dame in that catholic conference if they keep wussing out on football. But, trust me, that Syracuse to Ft Worth flight for a girl’s tennis match is going to drain the color from Dr. Gross’ face and the money from the athletic budget pretty quickly no matter how much more we get from football.
What about travel to Tampa?
The difference between Tampa and Ft Worth is there, but it’s not that drastic either.
football
pays for all that too… well, for the womens sports at least. On the men’s side, a lot of that money comes from alumni donating. Men’s non-revenue sports alums are amongst the biggest donors at SU.
Theres also the option of playing two teams at a neutral site. i.e. we all travel to cincy, we play cincy, TCU plays cincy, then SU plays TCU at Cincy.
Gross will be supportive because 1) it saves football and 2) all those sports count towards the directors cup he is so enamored with
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you do realize that DFW is a major airport hub?
I fly btwn DFW and Cuse on a semi-regular basis. Its a 1 connection itinerary that can take as little as 5.5hrs.
AA had a direct DFW-SYR flight up until 08 or 09 too. maybe this is the type of thing that could help bring that back?!?
Hi! Thanks for inviting us to your party, is it a requirement that we begin hating Rutgers right away, or should we let that develop naturally over time?
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 29, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Rutgers is like herpies
you cant wait for an outbreak to start a course of Valtrex
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by ryanwk628 on Nov 29, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now that's funny
I like these Horned Frog People already
Syracuse '12
by blackknight76 on Nov 29, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We’ve been in the Southwest, Western, USA, Mountainous West and Eastern conferences, but my seat hasn’t changed. You can’t go through that without getting a sense of humor.
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 29, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
another bylaw
You have to have an SBNation blog for your school in order to join the conference. So get to work on that already!
What ever shall they name it?
There are limitless SBNation blog names for a school who has a Horned Frog for a mascot.
Horny frog people?
Purple people eaters?
Atleast we’re not Rutgers?
You stay classy Syracuse.
Alright, you guys can stay
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