Syracuse vs. Boston College: A Brief History
Legend has it that, during the American Revolution, a group of Minutemen from Boston, referring to themselves as God's Dainty Eagles, were passing through the Onondaga Nation en route to a battle. They were approached by the natives, who requested a truce. The Eagles accepted. The two groups dined and shared stories and began a kinship. Trinkets were exchanged, pelts offered and muskets gifted. The Dainty Eagles swore to the tribe that they would remain brothers for all of time.
Some days later, word came in that the southern Native American tribes, the Seminoles and the Ho'ok'ie of Virginia (technically), were looking for someone to join them in adventure. In a shocking decision, the Dainty Eagles decided to up and leave the Onondagans with little notice. The truce had been broken.
From that day forward, the "orange men" of Onondaga vowed to hate all Eagles of Boston who ever set foot on their land. The Eagles, who did not appreciate this, declared "dainty war," as was their custom, on the Natives. This involved a series of hand slaps and high-pitched whines meant to annoy, and later became the basis for the Boston College Fight Song. That war has been brewing in the years since and continues to this day.
True story.
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Between 1961 and 2004, Syracuse and Boston College played each other in football every season except two ('68, '70). Over that span the only two teams the Orange faced more often were Pitt and West Virginia.
The Orange lead the overall series 28-17 and dominated it from 1987 until it ended in 2004, but that doesn't make it unmemorable.
SU and BC rekindle that rivalry this Saturday in the first of nine games between now and 2020. Whether future contests will be season-enders like this one remains to be seen, but it's a perfect way to get things going again. No one goes around telling stories about epic Orange-Eagle games, but that doesn't mean there wasn't real hatred between the two fanbases.
Things got off to an inauspicious start in 1924. Pappy Waldorf, Jack McBride and Mordecai Starobin led a stout Syracuse team over Boston College 10-0 in the middle of an 8-2 season. Here's an old-timey recap of the game from Time:
Syracuse's big team, discovering a power hitherto concealed, downed Boston College 10 to 0, on a touchdown and field goal scored by Fullback McBride. The Orange team was superior in every department of the game except kicking.
The win was the 200th victory in Syracuse football history.
The two teams would not play again for twenty years, likely so the Orange had time to work on that kicking game. In 1944 they faced off in Boston's Fenway Park, though this time the Eagles were better prepared. BC beat a down-and-out Orangemen squad 19-12.
Twelve years later the two decided to tangle again. Back in Syracuse, the Orangemen got back to doing what they did best...beating up Eagles. They won 24-14 to kickoff their 8-2 Orange Bowl season.
It was also around this point the two schools decided they should make a regular thing of this. And so they did, starting in 1961. In that game, Ernie Davis scored two touchdowns, amassed 203 yards and surpassed Jim Brown in total career yardage en route to the Heisman Trophy.
The Orange dominated the series until 1969, when BC won the first of three-straight games, the only time they'd do that in the series. That gave way to what was The Even Steven Era of the rivalry. Between 1973 and 1986, neither team won more than two games in a row and the series was tied 7-7. That includes the years Doug Marrone played for the Orange, in which they went 2-1.
Then in 1987, Syracuse entered it's second Golden Era and re-commenced dominating, winning six in a row and ten of the next twelve. Amongst the Eagles' two wins was a hard-fought 1993 victory thanks to a tipped interception with a minute to play. Both teams had joined the Big East Conference but the Orangemen were playing at a higher level for the most part.
The Eagles got back between '99 and '02, winning three of the four games, including the '99 affair on a late field goal. Then the Orange got back in the won column with a 39-14 win in 2003.
In 2004 it had been announced that Boston College would be leaving the Big East for the ACC. Initially it was expected that Syracuse would go with them but ultimately the Orange stayed with the Big East. In their final season in the conference, the Eagles were putting themselves in prime position to go out as league champion. All that stood between them in the final week of play was a banged up 5-6 Syracuse team. No big deal, right?
Syracuse won the game 43-17 and The Legend of Diamond Ferri was born.
With that, the rivalry ended. And rightfully so, it ended with a Syracuse victory.
So here we are, all these years later. The programs find themselves in different places than usual. The Orange are only just beginning to climb out of the basement while the Eagles are in the midst of a slightly-disappointing season. Both teams want the win in order to reclaim their place not only in their own conferences but also in the rivalry.
And if the rivalry wasn't personal before, it is now. Shockingly, Doug Marrone's wife is a Boston College grad.
"It is a rivalry within my home," he said. "My wife is rooting for Syracuse, I can promise you that. But a lot of her friends are Boston College graduates and a lot of her friends are ex-Boston College football players, who are obviously my friends, with their families. They’ll be sitting in the upper decks."
Giddy up.
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Geez
Things got off to an inauspicious start in 1924. Pappy Waldorf, Jack McBride and Mordecai Starobin led a stout Syracuse team over Boston College 10-0 in the middle of an 8-2 season.
Been a while since we have had anyone named Pappy or Mordecai on the football team.
I can picture Bud Poliquin’s 1932 column… “It has been a hundred fortnight since thousands of local fannies were treated to the last rumblings of Pappy Waldorf, who was equal parts rhinoceros and movie star, with a spattering of football accomplishment thrown in as icing on the coffee cake. And no matter how hard one squints, they will not see Mordecai Starobin among the legions of Saltine Warriors gathered on the north end of fair Archbold…..”
Ironically
The online message boards of the 1932 Syracuse Post-Standard (known then, quaintly, as “Letters to the Editor”) were rife with derisive comments about Bud’s folksy, antiquated way of writing.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Nov 24, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
along with comments about how BC didn't count a a "real" win
because SU was favored by too many points.
Or is that just a basketball thing?
That's just a "dumb commentor on Syracuse.com" thing.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Nov 24, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
My personal favorite part of the '04 disembowelment
As the clock was winding down, I made my way into the BC student section with my merry band of Orange-clad marauders. When we got there, we found a few remaining BC students who, all respect to them, stayed to watch the entire execution. I also found a poster that one of them had made laying on the ground. As the game was on ABC, they made a clever little sign using A, B and C as the first letter of each line. What did the sign say, you ask?
Almost
Big East
Champs
Yup, almost, BC student. Just like you almost got into Notre Dame.
I kept that sign in my room for the rest of the school year. Man do I hate Boston College.
by SpotOnSpotwood on Nov 24, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions
Me too
Also, “just like how you almost got into Notre Dame” is one of my new favorite lines.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Nov 24, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Heh
That was the year of the FIRST game I saw a game in the Carrier Dome, against East Carolina.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
SU luv
We BCers luv ’Cuse
It was a safety school for most of us.! ( I saw the ND crack above, and had to kid u back . in truth, not to many eagles also applied to ND, I never met one)
But seriously, good to see SU on the football mend. Should be a good series for years to come
Come join the ACC. . You deserve better than BE.
by blockparty1616 on Nov 24, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions
I'd love to beat the SuperFrauds!
I was getting ready to talk all loads of crap about BC here because I thought they had sued the ACC when it was poaching Big East teams, only to pull the ole’ switcharoo and join the conference instead. As it turns out, I am a master of “misremembering” things. It was VaTech who was in an akward lawsuit against the ACC, Miami and BC only to turn around and get invited, potentially leaving BC out of the mix. Then, when BC got that 12th members nod, UConn went balls out trying to sue them, which appears to have been a strategic boner, as chronicled by our friends at BC Interruption:
It is a pleasure to note that Syracuse was left off all lawsuits because they wouldn’t comment publicly about their intentions, and by all measures they just stayed away from all the rumors. Sure, it might have cost them a vote to join the ACC.
BC eventually settled out of court with UConn and the other Big East schools in the lawsuit, doling out $1 Million to each as compensation for potential lost revenues. However, that’s a small investment to pay, especially considering ACC schools with both football and basketball receive almost 2x in payouts ($10Mn vs. 5Mn according to Wikipedia, referencing Mitch Vingle of the West Virginia Gazette).
The really cool thing here, though, is now the administration at BC refuses to schedule football games vs. the Big East teams that sued them. We’re their sole dancing partner, which (I guess?) is another moral victory over UConn, who has stated publicly they’d love to play BC.
It’s a big soap opera, really. BC the institution, much like its fans, is the princess sashaying around in a yellow gown. UConn is the ringleader of nefarious characters. Syracuse is the chill guy to the side blowing smoke rings, seemingly oblivious to all the nervous posturing of others.
The one thing I HAVE to mention is the inflated sense of self worth you get from most of the BC people. The attitude is that they are better than BU, they laugh at Northeastern, UMass is a zoo, the MIT nerds should all work for them, and none of the other schools in the area matter. In fact, they are the most prestigious institution in Massachusetts. They are Massachusetts’ Ivy League school because Mass doesn’t have one. (It’s true; they are oblivious of Harvard).
Good news, fellow ruffians. Back in my single years, I struck back at the SuperFraud empire by wooing their chicks. Since they are so obsessed with themselves, it was easy. The formula is as such:
1) Promise them an array of falsehoods like, “Love” and “A Future Together.”
2) Dump them after a few months of dating sparingly.
3) Make them feel like they aren’t good enough to date other people, convert to drunken booty call.
BC kids are, after all, nothing more than wounded doves seeking the approval of Mommy, Daddy, God and Santa Claus. Simply act like you’re either one of these things, and you’re golden.
~End Rant~
P.S. Just kidding, BC friends! I mock you because I love you.
by TheRenegadePumpkin on Nov 25, 2010 3:00 AM EST reply actions
ahem
Pumpkin – good rant, until you get to BC attitude and your imagined powers of seduction.
Of course BC thinks they are better than BU, NU and SU because BC is better. Gotta have some schtick, swagger going at your school, right? No one cares about MIT b/c BC is not a tech school and 99% of BC grads will never see or work with an MIT person. And c’mon about Harvard. No one at BC is pretending to be even close to Harvard
As for women, you really conjure up the worst images of the unprincipled, conniving SU guy possible. Do your fellow alum a favor, and just admit, you only dated BC women in your dreams and did not actually go out and become a complete serial cad (or worse). (the BC women are clearly not going to fall for baloney from a SU guy, anyway…)
by blockparty1616 on Nov 25, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hey now!
I did date one BC girl for a little while after college. I am not an SU alum, just a Cuse native. And I say this whole rant with my tongue firmly in my cheek.
Lighten up, don’t be so… BC.
Again, I kid!
by TheRenegadePumpkin on Nov 26, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Dear Blockparty,
I’m sorry for being a big jerk to you. I’m happy you came on here to keep things fresh. I wish you a very competitive and entertaining game this weekend.
BC has impressed me with their year. Everyone around me (BC fans, Triple Eagles, etc.) made it a point to complain earlier this year about how awful the team is, but I think they’ve been proven wrong.
I’ll let it go now! I should be restricted from the boards after midnight!
Check back in after the game!
by TheRenegadePumpkin on Nov 26, 2010 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's a good rivalry
Yet another reason why, in a perfect world, there would be a true Big East, incorporating the traditional rivalries in Eastern football (SU-BC, SU-Penn State, Pitt-Penn State, etc.).
Goddamn reality. The Eagles don’t belong in the ACC, and half of the teams in the Big East don’t belong in the Big East. Penn State doesn’t belong in the Big 10. Gah! I hate the way things are set up right now.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

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