Syracuse Bowl Picture Still Hazy, But At Least We Have A Bowl Picture To Discuss
Alright, we're bowl eligible. That's awesome. But now comes the tricky part...maneuvering our way through the rest of the season to get placed in the best bowl possible. Let's dive in and see what we can control, where we're at and how we can get where we need to be.
First off, let's talk about the two remaining games. Both important for sure. The truth is, however, the UConn game in INFINITELY more important if the Orange are serious about actually playing in a BCS Bowl this year. A win against the Huskies would make the Orange 5-2 in conference. At worst, that will be the 2nd best record in the conference.
BCS BOWL
From here, a few things can happen. Pitt can win-out and that's that. The Panthers will have the Big East crown at 6-1 and will play in the BCS Bowl.
If the Panthers lose and they and the Orange are the only teams at 5-2 to close the season, then the Panthers still advance thanks to the head-to-head win.
If the Panthers, Orange and another team like West Virginia all finish 5-2, then we have a mess. Since the head-to-head tiebreaker would theoretically be 1-1 between all three teams, we'd move on to the second tiebreaker...BCS ranking. And that's where the Boston College game comes in. If the Orange win out, it will be hard for any Big East team to pass them in the overall rankings. And the highest-ranked team, regardless of who beat who, would advance.
If the Panthers completely collapse (which is absolutely possible) and a logjam occurs at the 5-2 spot between the Orange, South Florida and West Virginia, then the Orange advance thanks to head-to-head wins over both teams.
So, much to my surprise, the Orange are very much alive for the BCS spot, crazy as it sounds. All we need is a Pitt loss (very doable) or two and we just need to win, baby.
CHAMP SPORTS BOWL, PINSTRIPE BOWL OR WHAT?
So let's assume the Orange win-out but so does Pitt. Pitt goes to the Fiesta Bowl and the Orange are the pick of the litter for the remaining Big East bowls. The Champs Sports Bowl is the No. 2 selection, but does that necessarily mean they will select the Orange? Or that we can want to play there over the Pinstripe Bowl?
Remember, the Champs Sports gets to pick No. 2, they don't automatically get the No. 2 team. There's a strong possibility they could look at a West Virginia team just behind the Orange and say they'd prefer them due to ticket sales or location or whatever. If that were the case, you better believe the Pinstripe Bowl, which has the No. 4 pick, will gladly scoop up the Orange and their local alumni base. That's if the Meineke Car Care Bowl doesn't grab us first with the No. 3 pick (Bowl line-up here).
But is that what the Orange want anyway? Would we rather play in front of a hometown crowd in "hallowed" Yankee Stadium in the No. 1 media market in the nation rather than travel to sunny Orlando? Would playing in the Pinstripe Bowl be a shot to the bow of Rutgers and UConn as we continue to plant our flag as New York's College Team? A lot of folks have wondered if DOC Gross is all about this scenario, regardless of record, and I have to say it makes sense.
Maybe its a low-level conspiracy theory but I think the Big East has a lot riding on the Pinstripe Bowl and they want to see a rejuvenated, feel-good story like Syracuse in there right now instead of a 6-6 Rutgers team. The Big East needs to own NYC just as much as Syracuse does. And with the added bonus possibility that Texas could be available to play in the game, the conference is going to want to make this as marquee as possible.
OTHER...
So what if the Orange lose-out? Instead of 9-3, what if the Orange finish 7-5 and see a lot of their goodwill go bye-bye in the process? That means UConn is bowl eligible and probably finishes with the same record. Their late-season success and our late-season collapse could combine to make the Orange drop all the way past the Pinstripe, which chooses the Huskies instead. In that case, it's between the BBVA Compass (Birmingham) Bowl, Liberty Bowl and BEEF.
At this point, I feel like any of those three, while still being bowl games, would be disappointments. The calibur of opponent falls off a cliff compared to the other games. Plus. I can't imagine too many Orange fans traveling to Birmingham to watch the game. Of course BEEF is appreciated always, but in a season like this, we officially want more than just BEEF.
So what do the experts thing?
Pinstripe Bowl...Brian Bennett
Champs Sports Bowl...Stewart Mandel, SI
Pinstripe Bowl...Andrea Adelson
Meineke Car Care Bowl...Mark Schlabach
Pinstripe Bowl...College Football News
Pinstripe Bowl...CBSSports.com
Pinstripe Bowl...Rivals
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personally
I’d prefer to see the Orange win out, Pitt fall off a cliff and the ’Cuse go to the BCS.
Barring that, for prestige purposes I’d prefer Champs but would not complain a whit if they went to the Pinstripe since I might actually be able to go to that one if the tickets weren’t outrageously priced.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
Is it wrong that I wouldn't be against the Birmingham Bowl?
It’s the only one I think I could pull off personally. If that happens I’ll promise to yell extra loud to make up for the thousands of SU fans that won’t be in attendance. (For the record, I think that game is about the unlikeliest one at this point, including a BCS game.)
Definitly wrong
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maybe
it’s a self-interest v. collective fan-base thing. but probably irrelevant now that the game has been re-named (e.g, label-whored out) as the BBVA Compass Bowl.
by lemonysnicket9 on Nov 15, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
No, thoug it would suck for the rest of us.
But if the Big East were tied to the Poinsettia or the Holiday, I’d be all for the Orange ending up there (admittedly, more people would want to spend a few days in San Diego than in Birmingham :) ).
that's fair; but in defense of birmingham
it’s a handsome city. my uncle lives there. though evidently legion field is a real POS. seems like an uninspiring game for an otherwise dream season.
by lemonysnicket9 on Nov 15, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Never been, but...
I’m assuming we’d rather spend a weekend in Orlando, Tampa or Charlotte, right?
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Yes to all three.
Other than the Pinstripe most Syracuse fans will have to fly to whatever bowl, so Birmingham would be the least attractive destination I would think. I wouldn’t mind it because I can actually drive there (or cheap Southwest it) and back in a weekend. Not the case with the others.
This is the exact reason why some of these bowls should be abolished.
We haven’t been to a bowl in what seems like a decade, and we don’t want to go to the Tire Bowl, Muffler Bowl, or Beef Bowl. I’m sure we are not the only school that feels that way either. Bowls should be something special, something exciting, something the fan base as well as the team should look forward to going too, and rightfully so. Seriously, who wants to go to Birmingham Alabama in December? Whos spending their hard earned money on airfare and lodging for 3 nights in Alabama in December? To play a sunbelt team.
You want to know how bad the Sun Belt is?? I played one season as FIU running Navy’s offense (was trying to make FIU the top dog in florida) in a season of Madden, I won like 7 games and was IMMEDIATLY invited to Conference USA.
I mean its not even like you’re playing Auburn or Alabama. Your playing a Sun Belt team, can anyone even name 3 sun belt schools??
We made of fun of RU for going to these meaningless crappy bowls, now we’re doing the same, and most of us don’t want to go anywhere except Glendale or NYC (myself included).
by OrangeinJersey on Nov 15, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I love that you used a video game simulation
as a frame of reference.
And I’m not knocking you, that’s how make all my important decisions…
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by Sean Keeley on Nov 15, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'll second that
It’s why I go around stealing cop cars and beating down hookers.
Thanks Grand Theft Auto, for teaching me lessons about life.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
I just love the fact that we’re having these conversations. I think we are definitely beyond the beef at this point.
My selfish choices are the Pinstripe Bowl (easiest to get to) and Meineke Car Care (since my brother goes to Maryland and there’s a good chance we’d be up against them).
Go, fight, and win.
I dont think Champs is passing on WVa to take us....
I just dont see it. WVa travels, we don’t.
A few videos after yesterdays win seemed to imply most of the kids (team) were looking forward to playing in a warm weather climate (Orlando). I sure hope they dont feel let down/dissapointed and come out and lay an egg in another bowl.
by OrangeinJersey on Nov 15, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions
My thinking on that
Is we get Champs if WVU is in the BCS or falls off a cliff (WVU fans don’t like it when I say it’s in the best interests of the conference for WVU to be the 2nd-best team in the Big East, at least as long as they have the only reliable traveling fan base; they’ll get the best non-BCS bowl if they’re eligible for it, so it’s best that they deserve that spot).
Lets not even think of the possibility of losing to UConn
While they’re still a darkhorse to win the conference (well, who isn’t?), they’re not a good road team and the Dome should be rockin’ this weekend with the 7pm kickoff. Pressure is finally off us this week to perform, which is a great thing. All the pressure is on UConn, it’s win-or-die time for them. Lets make Edsall pay for his shenanigans and make him regret running up the score last year. By the end of this game the UConn medical staff should need to order splints for their whole pathetic broken-spirited football team. That’s how badly they should be beaten.
GO ORANGE
by bloodyyank44 on Nov 15, 2010 12:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think that the lifted-pressure is a huge factor. Teams play better when they’re more relaxed. I’ve got a good feeling about this game on Saturday.
Go, fight, and win.
yes sir
Also, while both teams are coming off huge, nailbiting victories, there has to be a bigger risk of a let-down for UConn. UConn over Pitt was a major upset and shake-up to the conference, while Syracuse was supposed to beat Rutgers. Would always rather face an overconfident team than the one pissed off because they lost.
GO ORANGE
by bloodyyank44 on Nov 15, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
yes sir
Also, while both teams are coming off huge, nailbiting victories, there has to be a bigger risk of a let-down for UConn. UConn over Pitt was a major upset and shake-up to the conference, while Syracuse was supposed to beat Rutgers. Would always rather face an overconfident team than the one pissed off because they lost.
GO ORANGE
by bloodyyank44 on Nov 15, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I gotta believe
Champ Sports Bowl would love a 9-3 or or 8-4 USF team for the sake of ticket sales alone. You can’t tell me USF fans wouldn’t love to stomp around UCF’s backyard in Orlando.
GO ORANGE
I dunno about that, USF played in ST Pete 2 or 3 years ago.....and didnt even sell the game out....
that game was in their back yard
by OrangeinJersey on Nov 15, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
True
But that was a season USF climed into the top-10 only to absolutely tank in the 2nd half of the season. Fans were probably pissed and rightfully so. That’s kind of like Syracuse Bball falling a** backwards into the NIT and then not selling out the Dome.
GO ORANGE
by bloodyyank44 on Nov 15, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
USF fans do not travel or really care. I live in USF’s backyard and NO one talks about them. When they played on that Wednesday night a few weeks ago no one showed up. Tampa is a town of front runners and even then they dont really care. Too many transplants from other area’s to have any kind of home field advantage. The Bucs are being blacked out every weekend and they are 6-3! The Rays won the AL East and could barely get 10, 000 there.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Nov 15, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
yes yes yes
I want pinstripes, because I want to be able to afford to go see them.
Im pretty sure Syracuse fans alone could fill half of yankee stadium.
NYC, Though, I'll be in the stadium whereever it is!
Yankees Stadium – Texas and the Cuse would be an Orange out! that would be sick! Also, Since I mostly go to the Dome. A real football game in the Cold is kind of appealing.
Can you believe....
…. we are having this conversation again? it seems like decades since I got all righteous and upset over what bowl was going to pass us over.
Thank you, HCDM!
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by Bernie Fine is the Man on Nov 15, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I said "Madden" but I meant NCAA 2011
but you got the point, so it’s all good.
by OrangeinJersey on Nov 16, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I really don’t want to be in the Pinstripe Bowl. Ick. I’d take any of the other bowls over that one.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Curious as to why
you say that. The Pinstripe bowl, even though it’s new, carries more prestige and a better time slot that the Beef or BBVA bowls.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
Because honestly, a cold weather bowl game played in a baseball stadium (for a team I despise, no less) just doesn’t feel like a just reward for this team’s success.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Well as far as the weather goes
I do understand how a person would say “Cold weather bowl? WTF?” But would anyone else agree that NYC winters are really kind of mild compared to Syracuse?
Of course, now I’ve jinxed it and guaranteed a Nor’easter, two feet of snow (a big deal for NYC), some hail and gale force winds for the game.
Sorry.
They deserve a higher bowl, but we'll probably get the Pinstripe
I would like to make an attempt to go to the game if that happens.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Nov 15, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions
Notre Dame can steal Champs Sports Bowl
I saw it mentioned somewhere & decided to look it up:
The new (from 2009) deal allows the Champs Sports Bowl to pick Notre Dame over a Big East team once, if the Fighting Irish’s record is at least 7-5 and within two wins of the Big East’s No. 2 school, said Steve Hogan, the chief executive of Florida Citrus Sports, which runs the bowl. That means a 9-3 Big East team could lose its spot in the bowl to a 7-5 Notre Dame squad.
Notre Dame is currently 5-5 w/2 games left vs. Army @ Yankee Stadium & @ USC
Let me put your mind at rest.
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I think that covers it
GO ORANGE
by bloodyyank44 on Nov 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Orlando or Tampa would be perfect for my travel needs
Driveable, plenty of places to stay for free, awesome drinking establishments – all in all, a quality, and relative cheap weekend.
I don't have the money for travel
but I’d rather go anywhere but Florida. Mostly because I always try to go somewhere new, but also because I find Florida repulsive. Flat. Boring. People can’t drive. Hot as balls. Incredibly large bugs. Everything spread out. Yuck.
the weather and bugs
are both excellent (meaning the weather is great and the bugs are nowhere to be seen) during bowl season. Which it would be. Would you rather watch the game in 30 degree cold and wind in Yankee Stadium with bad seats for football, or sit in 60-70 degree weather, drink and eat outside and watch the game in a football stadium.
Flat. Boring. Bad drivers. Yeah, those are year round.
Go Orange(men)!
+1
Fla is not without with faults, but I’d rather have a bowl game in sunny weather, than in a freezing baseball stadium with a chance of snow.
WTF is up with so many bowls in baseball stadiums anyway?!
why is there bowls in baseball stadium?
The same reason there are bowls period:
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Go Orange(men)!
Look at all this new content
Good work, Sean. Your hard work makes yet another Monday tolerable for everyone working off a weekend-long hangover.
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by Bernie Fine is the Man on Nov 15, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions
I had a lot of free time on Sunday
to pre-plan
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Not sure how this system works
but can’t we decline a bowl invite (champs/meineke) and downgrade to Pinstripe?
Probably
I’m sure there’s a lot of back-door-dealings we dont know about
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ND vs Army
Regardless of last weeks victory over Utah i would still like to throw out there that ND may not even get into a bowl . Before USC they have to beat an Army team that has 6 wins.
Bottom line
Notre Dame can eat my balls either way. I hate them so much, it’s scary.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
by kotite4ever on Nov 15, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
bowlin'!
is it bad that i don’t really care WHERE or WHAT bowl we are playing in? i love the fact that from now until that bowl game happens we can talk about the fact that su is in one. feels freaking fantastic.
Family Affair
The only reason I’m hoping we get the Meinekie Car Care Bowl is because my brother goes to Clemson, and if we make it there, many people are predicting us to face the Tigers. That would be kind of a fun scenario, plus my brother and I would totally be going. Plus hes transferring to UConn so it’d be nice to get a head to head game in before he turns to the dark side
by giantsfan5689 on Nov 15, 2010 5:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Anything but Charlotte.
I’ve got friends in Orlando, Miami, and Phoenix, and family in Jersey.
charlotte?
that’s one of the easier bowls to get to from syracuse! direct flights or a manageable drive. orlando has the direct flights on jet blue as well. i say any bowl.

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