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Mike Tranghese Isn't Done Shaping The Big East Just Yet

When Vladimir Putin named protege Dmitry Medvedev his successor for the Russian Presidency but stayed on as Prime Minister, everyone rolled their eyes under the assumption that Putin was still going to be pulling the strings behind the scenes.  And as long as Putin remains in the mix, that perception will probably never change.

By no means am I comparing Mike Tranghese to Vladimir Putin on a personal level, but now that Tranghese has re-established himself in the world of college athletics in a way that will almost undoubtedly affect the Big East, you can bet everyone is wondering just how long current Big East commissioner and Tranghese protege John Marinatto will go before he starts pulling one more favor for his former boss.

Former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese has been hired by the University of Memphis as a consultant to assist the Tigers athletic program in its efforts to gain membership in a Bowl Championship Series conference.

"His role is to help us and advise us," Johnson said. "He asked me: 'What's my charge?' I said, 'There are six BCS conferences. Just get us in one.'"

Let's not beat around the bush, Memphis is going to join the Big East.  Maybe not this year.  Maybe not in three years.  But eventually.  That's the point here.  It just makes too much sense for anything else. I mean, look at the facts:

Star-divide

Tranghese was the Big East for the last 20 years.

Tranghese was the commissioner who made the Conference USA purge of Louisville, Cincinnati and South Florida happen, so he knows all the players.

Tranghese is the Darth Sidius to Marinatto's Dark Vader.  Again, not a literal comparison, but, you know...

Memphis's biggest booster, FedEx CEO Frederick W. Smith, wants Memphis to join the Big East specifically:

"I think the Big East will have to expand at some point to at least nine football teams and, probably, eventually to 12," Smith said. "With only eight football teams now, the (Big East) teams have only three home league games every other year. Nine solves that problem."

He's right.  The question is, is Memphis right for the Big East?

Football-wise, Memphis is a mediocre program at best.  They've gone bowling recently but to nothing major.  The good news is that they have a natural rivalry to Louisville and Cincy and familiarity with USF as well from the CUSA days.  If the Big East decides it just needs a warm body to fill that 9th slot, then Memphis is as good as any, but expectations should be muted.

Basketball-wise, it's a little trickier.  In the short-term, they're a great get nationally.  The program is in the midst of it's best run in years though the defection of Calipairi could change things drastically.  The bad news is, the basketball side is already too congested.  16 teams has already made scheduling clunky and awkward. A 17th team would just make it worse.  Unless, say, the Big East decided to kick one of the non-football schools out, which is highly unlikely since they're all traditional teams.

Tranghese is on the payroll for six months and no more.  I'd say just his mere appearance in the mix makes Memphis' chances of joining the Big East go up exponentially.  It's probably more a question of far the conference is willing to bend on basketball in order to appease football.

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Get rid of Depaul

by ryanwk628 on Sep 16, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes Please

by Orange22 on Sep 16, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

But then we will never see the bench warmers shoot 3s

by cuseindahuse on Sep 16, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably.

You can’t dump the Hall, TRADITION!

If I had my choice, I’d dump Depaul, bring in Memphis BBall & Football, finally get ND to see the light (by way of some loophole regarding their TV contract) and bring them, Army & Navy into the BE and we can finally have our Championship game.

Tell Army & Navy to leave the basketball at home. If not, dump Hall and Marquette too. That was we leave the Chicago market where it belongs, in the mid-west.

The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.

by StrawHatGuy on Sep 16, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Big East can’t dump The Hall because they wouldn’t want to break up one of the greatest rivalries in the history of sport. The flagship matchup of the conference!

Go, fight, and win.

by Alex O on Sep 16, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If those clowns at ESPN knew what they were doing....

They’d IMMEDIATELY switch out the non-historic/boring match-up of Syracuse-Georgetown (ugh, who cares about that “rivalry”!!) and instead show the donneybrook between two arch-rivals, two storied basketball programs that have had memorable battles throughout the regular season and during the BE conference tournament – the rivalry that consumes NAY DEFINES the Big East! The game all of North-Eastern America wants to watch: Rutgers vs. The Hall.

by Cody K on Sep 16, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why can't

Villanova just get their shit together and join the Big East in football? Instead of dicking around with ND we should be strong arming ’Nova.

by stumpycuse on Sep 16, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

depaul and marquette don’t even fit geographically. why were they invited to the big east in the first place? Memphis makes more sense then those two by providing a little stepping stone between Louisville and USF

by smaze on Sep 16, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they were added

so for voting purposes there would be 8 football playing teams in the league and 8 basketball only playing teams in the lead

by thekevo23 on Sep 16, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that it's not

Memphis is on the Tennessee/Arkansas border; it’s in a totally different direction from Louisville than Tampa.

DePaul and Marquette make about as much sense as ND does (indeed, they give the Big East a mini-cluster around Chicago). If you want to argue ND doesn’t make much sense, I’m not going to disagree.

by drothgery on Sep 16, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Villanova upgrading is outstanding. Get us the Philly market back.

G-town should upgrade too. That would put us at 10 and give us the DC market. We can play an 8 game conference schedule.

If they are creampuffs, so be it. Take one for the Big East team… like the football teams are taking for not seeking refuge in the cozy woom of another conference.

by ezcuse on Sep 16, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Villanova is no creampuff

they beat Temple two weeks ago..that’s something that Pasqualoni couldn’t do in his last few years and I’m pretty sure that GRob would have found a way to lose against Temple if the opportunity presented itself.

Perhaps Westbrook can team up with Bon Jovi and Ron Jaworski to make this happen.

by stumpycuse on Sep 16, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have no place to play

’Nova’s stadium is too small to meet FBS rules, and Temple’s got the Linc on Saturdays (does the Linc have real grass or FieldTurf? if it’s real grass, there’s no way it can handle more than two games a week — look at what happens at Heinz by the end of the year). Also, they’d need to add another women’s sport to upgrade to FBS (and hence 20 more men’s scholarships) and stay title IX compliant. They’ve considered moving up several times, and been asked by the Big East to move up several times, and they’ve always said no.

Georgetown doesn’t offer football scholarships right now; they’d need to add 3 or 4 women’s sports to be able to add scholarship FCS football and stay title IX compliant. Probably 4 or 4 to add FBS football.

by drothgery on Sep 16, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No reason they cant split the Linc with Temple

If the Giants and Jets can do it for 17 weeks, Nova-Temple could do it for 13

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by Sean Keeley on Sep 16, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the same deal

With the Jets and Giants, you’re playing 16 games in 17 weeks. Every year; no exceptions (well, unless one of them plays the London game, or a hurricane causes games to be moved). And the NFL is making the schedule, so they can avoid conflicts.

Two college teams is different. Assuming ‘Nova is going to be a typical BCS conference team and play at least 7 home games, and doesn’t play Temple, while Temple tries to be at least a semi-respectable MAC team and plays 6 home games. So you’ve got no margin for error with 13 games in 13 weeks. If ‘Nova wants an 8th home game, or Temple wants a 7th, they’re SOL. And the Eagles, ’Nova, the Big East, Temple, and the MAC have to all sign off the schedule.

by drothgery on Sep 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ready...

1. As part of the arrangement, Nova and Temple must play each other every year.
2. You’re also not factoring in Thursday or Friday night games.

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by Sean Keeley on Sep 16, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they plan is for ‘Nova and Temple to play every year…it’s now called the Mayor’s Cup (Because Mayor Nutters’ Cup sounded too silly).

by stumpycuse on Sep 16, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to the Eagles-Giants game in December 2005, just a week after the Army-Navy game and after Temple’s season had ended. The field was completely torn up, so I agree that asking 3 teams to share the home field (and add the army-navy game is too much for the Linc.

by stumpycuse on Sep 16, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Linc

is real grass, and it definitely takes a beating throughout the season.

However, a new MLS soccer stadium is being built on the Delaware River waterfront just south of the city, only a few miles from Villanova down the turnpike. Chances are the stadium will be empty in 2 years (since no one likes soccer) and they’ll be begging for someone to come use it.

by stumpycuse on Sep 16, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

An MLS team plays in Gillette, so I think ‘Nova could play in the MLS team’s venue. Or both Temple and Nova could play some games there, and play each other or Pitt or Penn State or Rutgers or us at the Linc.

by drothgery on Sep 16, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depaul, ND, and Marquette are the only options to kick out

I don’t think the Big East should think about removing Seton Hall before any of the expansion teams.

The thing is, virtually all of the basketball schools have A) good teams recently or B) good tradition. I think Seton Hall will be an NCAA team this year, and St. John’s will finish very well with all of their juniors and seniors.

Notre Dame is going to keep coming up until something is done. What we really need is for ND to finish with 1 loss this year, as well as a Big 12 champion Texas to have 1 loss, and Florida to be in the BCS championship. That way they will not make it to the championship and want to seriously think about joining a conference(whether it be the Big 11 or Big East).

Marquette is a good basketball school. They have been an NCAA team I think every year since joining. Depaul has the Chicago market, and that’s it. If it ever came down to them and Memphis, I would rather Memphis join.

by actioncuse on Sep 16, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but what kind of future does Memphis basketball really have sans Calipairi?

by stumpycuse on Sep 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This year Memphis will be down a little with only 7 scholarship players available, but they will still compete for the title in C-USA. As it stands right now, Memphis is the only school with 2 Top 10 recruits in Will Barton & Joe Jackson. Also, Memphis had success before Cal and it’s clear that they will after him.

by bakers_dozen on Sep 16, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, duh

A split has been coming since the super-sized Big East was announced. The only way it makes sense is as a legal device to make a split less painful (in a split after 2010, both conferences would get basketball tournament autobids; there was also some concern that an entity not named the Big East would not keep the BCS bid); a sixteen-team conference is a scheduling nightmare and promotes no real sense of rivalries. Do any of you guys have any strong feelings about Louisville, Cinci, or USF? Didn’t think so.

Heck, there’s a persistent rumor that BC would not have bolted for the ACC if the teams that played Big East football had been willing to split right away. If that’s true, then we should have split then even if it meant letting Georgetown and the rest of the non-football schools keep the Big East name and the MSG tournament. I don’t think the BCS would have been willing to pull our autobid, and it’s not like we wouldn’t get three or four at-large teams into the basketball tournament even without an autobid.

by drothgery on Sep 16, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just hope we don't end up in the Big Eleven.

BO-RING

The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.

by StrawHatGuy on Sep 16, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

If the Big 11 comes-a-knocking, I say ’Cuse goes over there lickity-split.

by Cody K on Sep 16, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone doubts that

Too many $$$ on the table not to take the offer if it happens. But the only real rivalry we’d have would be with Penn State, and the Big Ten East would be killer in football (almost certainly it’d be Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Syracuse and either Purdue or Indiana). And I’m not sure how much a rivalry built on ‘we kill you in basketball, you kill us in football’ with Penn State would work. Though UCLA and USC seem to manage that way.

It’s better than the Super-sized Big East. It would not have been than the Paterno Conference (BC, Maryland, Penn State, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, -Temple- UConn [updated for 2009], WVU), even with the insanely favorable to PSU financial structure JoePa wanted.

by drothgery on Sep 16, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But boring with a lot more money from better TV and bowl deals.

Assuming decent coaching and recruiting, we’d basically be stuck fighting with Michigan State for 4th in the Big Ten East in football unless one of the big 3 is in a really down year (ala Michigan) or we’re having a charmed season. Whereas we’d always be fighting with Michigan State for the division title in basketball. Pretty boring, yes.

by drothgery on Sep 16, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just give ND an ultimatum.

All in or all out. No football? Welcome, Memphis!

by firstmatewiggles on Sep 16, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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