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Pat Forde Makes Points By Not Making Any Point At All

Via the Three Idiots, who got it from Brian Bennett, here's a video of Pat Forde criticizing the Syracuse quarterback situation.

NOW, I get why people think the Greg Paulus news is a bad sign.  Strip away the loyalties and the numbers and the names and it's a guy who hasn't played QB for four years suddenly starting.  That don't sound good.

But here's where Pat Forde's logic goes off the cliff and confirms that he probably doesn't actually know what the hell he's talking about. (Plus, he's clearly just reading facts and figures off a sheet):

...Unless the former Duke point guard is unbelievably talented, Jay, the fact that he just strapped on a football helmet for the first time since 2004 and become the starter already is a complete indictment of the other Orange quarterbacks...

Um...I guess.  If you're working under the assumption that the other four quarterbacks on our roster are far superior and clearly head and shoulders above him in skill, aptitude and ability.  Which none of them are as far as we can tell. Hence the need to offer Paulus a scholarship in the first place.  Does that make sense, Pat?  You with me so far?

In other words, the offensive ineptitude that was the hallmark of the Greg Robinson Era appears likely to continue under Doug Marrone, the new coach.

Again, you're saying that as if Syracuse was on pace to score 40 points a game with Ryan Nassib under center.  Wake up Pat, they're going to struggle no matter who is back there, be it Greg Paulus, Ryan Nassib or Triumph The Insult Comic Dog.  Where you not aware of this before Tuesday?

Syracuse failed to score 20 points thirty-two times in Robinson's 47 games. Now you have to wonder if it's going to be more of the same. 

#1, stop just reading press notes and actually give us interesting insight and opinion.  #2, NOW you have to wonder if it's going to be more of the same?  NOW you have to wonder?  WHEN WEREN'T YOU WONDERING?!?!

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The irony here is that among the quarterbacks that Paulus beat out is another one with basketball blood, Cameron Dantley, the son of Notre Dame great Andrian Dantley.

Pat, the definition of irony is "a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is an incongruity or discordance between what one says or does and what one means or what is generally understood."  What you just stated is not ironic.  What IS ironic is that you went with that boilerplate, uninteresting piece of information instead of pointing out that Cam Dantley was the starting quarterback last season and the fact that Greg Paulus easily supplanted him would actually add credence to your initial point about the state of the Syracuse quarterback position. I'm here to help, Pat.

Pat apparently has been living in a world where Syracuse, with Ryan Nassib at QB, was going to finish 10-2, win the Big East and defeat USC in the Rose Bowl.  Now, because of that jerk Paulus, we're back to square one.  I would like to live in that world, Pat.  Where's the time portal?

Two of those five sentences didn't actually have anything to do with Greg Paulus or the point that Greg Paulus' ascension to starting quarterback is a bad thing.  So what did we just learn?  NOTHING.  But ESPN got to kill :60, so that's a win.

I do like the host's response to Pat's diatribe.

"Interesting stuff"

Actually, no.

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Um, what?

I think you completely misunderstood everything Forde said.

by mcsteve on Aug 21, 2009 3:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What other way is there to understand it? It’s nothing but uninformed Syracuse-bashing.

Go, fight, and win.

by Alex O on Aug 21, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s what Forde is saying: Greg Paulus hasn’t played football in five years. Regardless, he walked into Syracuse and won the starting quarterback job. This doesn’t say much about the crop of quarterbacks he beat out, unless Paulus is unbelievably talented.

How Nunes translated that to say that Forde believes all of Syracuse’s other quarterbacks are BETTER than Paulus is beyond my comprehension. Nobody, Pat Forde included, thinks Syracuse was going to score 40 points a game and finish 10-2 with Ryan Nassib under center. I will never begin to understand how Nunes thought that’s what Forde was implying.

by mcsteve on Aug 21, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forde’s making it sound like Paulus is going to cause these problems when the problems were already there to begin with. Therein lies the rub.

Go, fight, and win.

by Alex O on Aug 21, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem isn't what you say in the first paragraph.

I think it’s clear that Paulus coming in and supplanting all the other QBs is a bad sign about the state of our program our QBs. I think everyone generally agrees with that.

It’s that Pat Forde is somehow saying this means we’re doomed under Doug Marrone. We had some shitty QBs thanks to our shitty last 4 years. The fact that Paulus can walk in and take the starting job says absolutely nothing about Doug Marrone and everything about Greggers.

That is the problem I had with Forde’s comments, and it’s also how I read Sean’s post.

by voteprime on Aug 21, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like Many Talking Heads

Forde gets paid to be opinionated. Without doing any analysis of the situation its easy to say “SU’s offense will stink this year like it has four the last four years” because they’ve got a QB who has been playing basketball. On the surface it’s fine and makes sense.

What it doesn’t take into account is SU has a new o-coordinator, a head coach whose history is that he successfully improved NFL lineman, the return of 3 very good tailbacks and the return of Mike Williams, one of the best WRs in the big east, and maybe the country.

The fact that he beat out an RS Freshman who’s never played, a true freshman and a senior who wasn’t very good last year (and came to the school as a walk on) really shouldn’t be that surprising to people.

by Russianator on Aug 21, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Talking Heads?

Do you mean the greatest band to walk the face of the earth?

or am I just confused?

by Cody K on Aug 21, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair opinions and thought all around...

Here’s the final verdict.

1. If Forde just meant to say that its a bad sign for Syracuse football in general, that’s dumb because…duh.
2. If Forde meant that making Paulus the #1 guy is a bad move, he clearly doesn’t know anything about program.
3. If Forde meat that it makes us look bad to other programs, well, what WON’T make us look bad?

My point here is that instead of insightful analysis, Pat regurgitated some stale stats and “fun facts” about our program in order to full time. He didn’t actually provide anything of value in that piece. That bothers me. It’s a waste of time and breathe.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to photoshop Greg Paulus’ head onto a turkey.

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by Sean Keeley on Aug 21, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

The fact that forde said

“Unless he is unbelievably talented” is where his logic fails. Nunes has it right. Seeing as our previous quarterback situation (e.g. Robinson & Dantley) was somewhere far below “unbelievable talented” if not below plain old “talented,” Greg Paulus need not be unbelievable talented for SU to be better off. He just needs to be average and we’re better off.

The whole indictment of the QB situation is just a stupid statement, everyone knows that the QB sitution leaves much to be desired. Its like bringing up the whole pot-in-a-waterbottle-gate as an “indictment” Michael Vick’s moral compass.

Again, Nunes is right that Forde’s “point” relies on the totally unreasonable assumption that Cameron Dantley (career 16:16 TD:Int ration, <50% completion, and -79 rushing yards) and never-seen-a-snap Ryan Nassib are somewhere close to “unbelievable talented.” If he had said something like “even if Paulus is good, they’re gonna have problems next year,” then maybe, maybe he would have said something correct. But he didn’t so I award you no points!

by Rocket Ship Science on Aug 21, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

and for the record, Andrew Robinson in NCAA 2010 really F*ing sucks as a TE. He drops everything and he had two F*ing false starts last game I played.

by Cody K on Aug 21, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I managed to throw a TD to him

It took a few tries, ’cause this team REALLY sucks in year one. But I felt bad for him, so I threw him a bone. Or six.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 21, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forde is just trying to make

his native Louisvillians feel better, when the reality is we will go to their house and plunder their women and children AGAIN.

Spot on analysis Sean.

by LvilleOrange on Aug 21, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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