Pat Forde May Have Forgotten What The Word Rivalry Means

by Sean Keeley on Jul 2, 2009 6:39 PM EDT Comment 28 comments

Pat Forde listed what he thinks are the hottest rivalries in college basketball today. #1 is Kentucky - Louisville. Fine, sure. #2 is Michigan State vs. Purdue. Okay. #3 is Kentucky vs. Tennessee. What is this, women's basketball?

Whatever. So Forde makes it all the way through his his top ten and then lists out a bunch of honorable mentions. Guess which rivalry doesn't make the list? Yep, Syracuse vs. Georgetown. The Syracuse-Georgetown rivalry in which Syracuse students have stormed the court after winning multiple times in recent years. The Syracuse-Georgetown rivalry in which Eric Devendorf was almost lynched inside the Verizon Center this past season. You know, that one. Not a mention.

Oh, but you know what rivalry did make the honorable mention list? Rutgers vs. Seton Hall.

See now, I don't think you were paying attention so I'm going to write that again. Rutgers vs. Seton Hall.

Let me make sure you got this. One of the red-hottest rivalries in all of college basketball is between Rutgers, who finished 11-21 (2-16) last season, and Seton Hall, who finished 17-15 (7-11). One of the hands-down best rivalries in all of the land is between two teams that have been to the NCAA Tournament a combined three times in the last ten years (all Seton Hall).

Pat, on behalf of Syracuse, Georgetown, Big East and college basketball fans everywhere, I say to you...

H/T: Jon

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To further laugh about this….

The Prudential Center has a capacity of 18,500 for basketball games. The Rutgers/SHU game drew 8,390 paid fans, and probably a lot less actual fans at the game.

The RAC holds 8,000, and the paid attendance was 6,504.

Yeah, people are sure excited to watch those two teams battle it out. How could a pair of afterthought BCS teams be considered a hot rivalry in any way?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Jul 2, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good detective work

What a maroon

Troy Nunes Is An Absolute Magician - The Syracuse blog that cares.

by Sean Keeley on Jul 2, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that has more to do with

the recent struggles of both programs. In terms of actual levels of hatred, Forde probably underrated the rivalry.

by number_twentyone on Jul 2, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but

Isn’t the whole point of the list is to show the hottest rivalries for next season?

by The Saltine Warriors on Jul 2, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ridiculous

I went to The University of Tennessee…. They could give two shits about basketball. There is a little more interest now with Bruce Pearl, but they just count the days until September in Knoxville.

I would even go out on a limb and say Syracuse-UConn is a bigger rivalry than some of the games on this list.

I think the best part of this is Forde is one of the guys you pay the “insider” fee to read usually…

by The Saltine Warriors on Jul 2, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

SU-UConn

absolutely

Troy Nunes Is An Absolute Magician - The Syracuse blog that cares.

by Sean Keeley on Jul 2, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rutgers-Seton Hall: Not a lot of attention or glory in the Rumble for New Jersey, but…

Wow, I didn’t even realize Seton Hall was in NJ. If only for that, I suppose this article had some value, but that’s about it.

by voteprime on Jul 2, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How can a school where when we play there, we have more fans in their building, have any kind of stake in a rivalry list?

UNC-Duke is #1 (I realize that they’re talking about ’’hottest’’ but whatever), and you can make a real case for SU-GTown being #2, definitely top 5, and I’d even say us and UConn are top 10-15

Syracuse '12

by blackknight76 on Jul 2, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe that's exactly it

Maybe this was sort of the rivalries you don’t hear about thing? Although I’m not sure Kentucky and Louisville fits that bill. Lots of the other ones do though.

Any legitimate list of the best rivalries should include Syracuse and Georgetown. We don’t storm for every good team we beat in the Dome, which shows that the rivalry is still a big one to us.

BTW, I know we take a lot of shit for it, but if I had my way we would storm the court EVERY time we beat Georgetown. Regardless of how good or bad the two teams are. It’s sort of our thing now.

by dkelz1888 on Jul 2, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I posted on there

And he had a chat. He wouldn’t answer about SU/Gtown. I posted all of the great moments.

Pearl punching Ewing.

Waving a USSR flag after JT lost to the USSR and got bronze.

30k at every game easy.

The players, Pearl(NYC legend) vs Ewing.
Coleman/Mourning
The “I can win at the Dome” John Wallace* vs Allen Iverson.
*John Wallace of GTown never won at the dome

Lawrence Moten doing Hulk Hogan after beating GTown at GTown(with the ear to each side of the court).

GMac in 04 buzzer beater
BET in 06 Devo layup
07 senior day AMAZING GAME
08 GTown beats us in OT
09 We beat GTown in OT
Early 90’s Owens hitting FT’s to tie and go into OT for the regular season title.
Rushing the court many times.
5 times ’Cuse vs GTown for the Big East tournament championship.
12 of them between us.

Throwing garbage at them this year. Fruit at Ewing.

Even being beat at Manley is part of the rivalry and we wouldn’t have all these moments without it.

There’s the Marriott(or whatever) commercial.
We had the magazine cover with Devo and Hibbert for rivalries already.

Add what I’m missing.

by actioncuse on Jul 2, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Damn.

Good work sir. This guy is impressed. I think you got em all…

by The Saltine Warriors on Jul 3, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate hate hate it but

“Manley Field House is officially closed.”

A coach, not a player, was so entrenched in the rivarly that he got heated about winning a road game.

FWIW: early in the rivalry there was this much bad blood.

by mets81 on Jul 3, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Big East is what it is today because

of GU / Cuse.

Forde is a moron.

Good talk.

by Hire Esherick on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this guy forde should be banned from making assinine comments.

nothing serious, and not a lifetime ban, but to leave su-georgetown completely off the list merits serious punishment. if manny can get 50 days off for testing positive for extra testosterone, this guy can get 50 days off for this serious omission.

what about that big east battle where georgetown had that ex-mailman thug player (it may have been michael graham, but i’m not sure). there was a huge fight, su lost and coach boeheim threw his chair when exiting the after-game press conference.

by puredmashie on Jul 3, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

recently

Kristoff! and Summers were ready to go at it in both games this season.

by actioncuse on Jul 3, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't have cable TV...

…(or any TV other than the occasional WABC thanks to the digital conversion), so thanks for bringing this Pat Ford fool to my attention. Your comments over on Twitter about the red-hot RU-SHU “rivalry” have been hilarious all day, but I couldn’t figure out what had prompted them.
I write a Rutgers Football Blog and have a son who attends Seton Hall, and I don’t consider it a rivalry, so how can a national television network do so, unless they are simply looking at an atlas and determining rivalries by proximity?

by BeatVisitor on Jul 3, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

by that logic

cincinnati and xavier are 3 miles apart…

i would assume that’s about as close as two major 1A schools can get.

by actioncuse on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i went to the website to log a comment, but stopped myself.

there were already 414 comments so far, and i was reminded of that internet forum-inspired adage:

arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. even if you win, you’re still a retard.

by puredmashie on Jul 4, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Where's the Glaude?

Surely you’d think he’d be around to comment on this travesty.

Somehow I wonder if the Rutgers-Seton Hall game would even make it onto SNY……

by adselver15 on Jul 4, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Off drinkin'

by Hoya Suxa on Jul 4, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish I had people to drink with

But my friends won’t return my calls.

by adselver15 on Jul 4, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

holy shit! that ’s funny

by Tominorlando on Jul 5, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The greatest moment in Rutgers Hoops history

was when their star player was so graciously allowed to fellate the great Jonny Flynn.

Syracuse '12

by blackknight76 on Jul 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Since there's no line for Rutgers-Seton Hall games....

….does that mean Pat Forde is camping out in front of the Prudential Center box office?

by adselver15 on Jul 4, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

“Pat forde might have posted the worst column in sports history with these rankings. This is an atrosity to college b ball fans everywhere and patricia forde should be fired or at the least demoted”

by Tominorlando on Jul 5, 2009 7:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I am absolutely convinced that

Steve McNair was shot because Pat Forde spent the entire week camping for Rutgers-Seton Hall tix.

by adselver15 on Jul 5, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

(And for the record, I am very upset about the shooting because I had a deep respect for Steve McNair).

by adselver15 on Jul 5, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, really not even a mention of Syracuse-UConn?

I remember they were specifically mentioned as a part of ESPN rival week. MAJOR blunder here. That’s pretty pathetic.

Also, that 6OT game is one that will go down IN HISTORY. Everyone knows about that game. And everyone was amazed by it. I just don’t understand how this guy could be that ignorant.

by pegs on Jul 5, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs