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We Were Only Thirteen More Bad Shot Attempts From Tying That Thing Up

I have to admit, I didn't actually start watching Sunday's 89-86 loss until the second half but that's all I needed to know to learn two things that doomed the Orange.

1.  Energy/Emotions

I point to one specific set of events that took place late in the 2nd half.  Villanova has the ball, a pass is knocked awry and players scramble for it.  The Villnova player dives for the ball as Devo dives onto him.  He calls timeout and gets it just in the nick of time.  The Villanova bench erupts.  Players are jumping around.  Coaches run out and grab their guy.  The player is fired up.  They ooze positivity. 

A minute or two later, almost the same series of events happens on the Syracuse side.  A Syracuse player dives for the ball and calls timeout.  The Syracuse bench...slowly rises to it's feet.  The players on the court walk gingerly over to the bench.  The Orange are only down a few points but they might as well be down 20.  3,000 miles away I can literally feel their negativity.

What is it?  Does this come back to what we heard in that Sports Illustrated article?  Is Jimmy B emotionally running these guys into the ground?  Where the excitement on the bench?  Why aren't our bench guys going nuts for our starters?  And why don't our starters have passion when they're out on the floor? 

Even when the Orange were within 2 points, I knew they'd lose.  You didn't need to know the score, all you had to do was watch the players on each side and you knew exactly who believed they would win and who believed they would lose.

2. Everybody's A Hero

Question for you...when the team is down and nothing's going right, which Orangeman needs to put the team on his shoulders and carry it?  Jonny Flynn, our point guard and the best athlete on the floor?  What about Devo, the elder statesman of the group and who plays with a chip on his shoulder the size of the Dome itself?  Or there's Downtown Andy Rautins, our three-point specialist and usual leading scorer.

It's tough to say, right ?  Well imagine how tough it is for those players to figure it out.  Cause clearly they haven't.  At multiple moments in the 2nd half, all three of those players too kit upon themselves to will the Orange back into the game and three of them did it in awkward, inopportune ways.  They would have been better served finding the cohesive strategy but instead it became three one-man-shows.  Flynn and Devo took turns showing us how NOT to handle 2-on-1s and other instances where passing was a better option than bad shots.  And Devo also joined Rautins in shooting some of the worst three-pointers I've ever seen.  Forced, uneven, bad three-pointers. 

It's understandable that the Orange want the ball in the hands of these three players when it counts.  But for the love of God, just because there isn't a lot of time left on the clock that doesn't mean every shot has to be a desperation, behind-the-back-while falling-over shot. If there's more than five seconds left on the clock, you're allowed to plant your feet.  I checked.  It's totally cool.

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The last three minutes of the game, the Orange looked desperate.  That's what it looked like to me, watching a team that clearly wasn't enjoying themselves as they threw up poorly-thought-out shot after poorly-thought-out shot.  In a sense, I can't blame them.  They've proven themselves to be good but not great team in the Big East.  There is a level of teams in the conference they can beat and there is a level of teams they can't.  That's what they've been thinking and that's what they've been unable to prove otherwise.  And yesterday they played like a team that knows it.

Lucky for them, the "gauntlet" is over.  Now the Orange face a string of Big East teams they can beat.  And probably need to in order to regain some footing.  It's funny because on paper things aren't so bad.  At 19-8 (7-7) the Orange still have a realistic shot at winning ten Big East games and an outside shot at winning eleven.  It begins Tuesday at 13-14 St. John's.

Some other thoughts on the game:

Well at least the atmosphere was festive before the game:

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What was your third point again?

by Zumone on Feb 23, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

harris, harris, harris....

i mean come on….1-6 3PM/A – his stats on that line should be 0-0.

guess he didn’t learn anything while on suicide watch.

no heart, this team. and for god sake – PLAY SOME MAN.

by Emac33 on Feb 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

To Jameson's article

(because I dont feel like joining another site)

Jimmy B specifically recruits long athletes who fit his system. Guys with a big wingspan, who can move, and reach into the passing lanes. Thats why next year we are going to have 4 guys at 6’7" on the squad who play the 3… because in our system, the forward positions are interchangeable. Its also why we took a chance on a 6’ 11" bench player.

Paul Harris and Johnny get their steals getting out in the passing lanes. Its a lot easier in zone. Kristof comes in on the double as he is supposed to to help out AO who cannot stop blair, or anyone for that matter, on his own. Ricky/Paul is supposed to do the same from the other side.

One thing we do wrong is put our hands down. You can see guys calling from the bench to get your arms up. That shows the players dont want to be playing zone, and are brats/lazy. Jimmy should not give in ever. If the situation warrants it, say we get shot out of it… ok. But as a player, if you dont like zone dont come to cuse. When played right it works wonderfully – it dosent take a lot of skill or knowledge, just activity and attention.

Jimmy B has won almost 800 games playing this system. Yes teams in the league do know it quite well, and consequently will do better against it. Does that mean we should scrap it? Not at all. I hear the good coaches make schemes that fit their players but Flynn has shown he cant match up with a bigger PG, so why get rid of the help a zone provides? Paul gets shot over, AO is slow and short, and I dont trust Devo… why would you play man to man? Ricky will get taken outside all day.

It worked well against CT for most of the game. We saw pitt copy it when they played em. Its not a question of scheme, its a question of energy.

And by letting them Jimmy would be saying “you know what Johnny, youre right. You and those bloggers who probably never played anything more than middle school park and rec ball know much more than I do… so just stop listening to me in general.” Not that they listen to him now.

by ryanwk628 on Feb 23, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m not for scrapping the zone. It has its time and place against some teams.

This year’s team doesn’t have the length needed to play zone. Against probably 60-70% of this team’s Big East opponents, they should be playing man.

If this current team has lots of problems with the zone like the laziness, lack of energey, etc. like you point, then maybe it’s time to let them play man where they are clearly energetic and more active.

My general point to the article which seems to be overlooked is either way, no matter what defense this team plays, they are mediocre in Big East competition. So if the man-defense clearly jump starts the offense, why not play the defense that makes your offense better?

by Jameson_Fleming on Feb 23, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how does it make the offense better? energy? Thats why the zone is not working, lack of energy. A zone is supposed to lead to steals in the passing lanes and fast breaks. The big dunks that go along with that = energy. See paul harris v northeastern.

If we go to man to man, with all the great big men in our league, AO is going to get dominated. The guy is fragile enough as it is. Ricky and AO wont be able to be on the floor at the same time. So who plays PF? Kristof all game? I love the kid but that hurts your offense.

It also keeps us from going small. We cant have Johnny, Andy and Devo on the floor at the same time. The zone can cover up for Andy at the 3. In man he will get beat by the great 3’s in our league. Same with paul at the 4.

The only reason I would go man more is to make these guys accountable for their play. Right now they are blaming the zone. If someone goes off for 20, that on Johnny, or Devo or whom ever.

by ryanwk628 on Feb 23, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the man-to-man allows them to run. Look at Notre Dame, look at yesterday, when they went man, they could run with the best of them. AO and Rick wouldn’t get dominated. Did you see them against Harangody when they played man? They both completely shut him down the entire game when each guarded him.

The previous point of winning 800 games in zone, is a nice point, but the game changes. Has the zone been winning games the last three and a half seasons? Not really. If SU didn’t have the personnel to win in the zone, then who’s fault is that..Boeheim’s for not recruiting the necessary players.

College teams play their center and power forward all the time together. Look at Louisville-Samuels and Clark, Connecticut, Adrien and Thabeet, North Carolina, Thompson and Hansbrough.

I don’t think having Jackson and AO on the floor at the same time would be killing this team.

The zone doesn’t force turnovers at least not the past few years. The length isn’t there, they don’t jump into passing lanes. Statistically this team is one of the worst in the country at forcing TOs.

by Jameson_Fleming on Feb 23, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is flat out

wrong. Did you see who they had on the floor when they started running? Onganet, Flynn, Rautins, Devendorf, and Harris. Thats the reason they got out on the break. Not because they went to man. Its because they had guys that could get up and down the floor.The personel on the floor made it a lot easier to run in that instance.

come on Jameson, look at the facts man. Villanova ate up the zone, they ate up man and the points they scored after SU was up two in the second half were all off of offensive turnovers. This team isn’t a good rebounding team period. Zone or man. Rebounding is about effort. Onganet is the only one that provides it at all. Did you notice that Nova was getting 2nd 3rd and 4th chances when SU was in man too? Or do you just like to overlook that?

Let’s blame JB for that too. I 100 percent agree with ryanwk on this one. This team doesn’t have enough effort to play man or zone. It’s really not going to make a difference. They play 7 guys! You want them to play 40 minutes of man and run a cohesive offense? Can’t have it both ways. The teams that play strict man in the country either play at a slow but efficient pace (UCLA) or rotate 8-9 guys (Duke, which has been playing more zone this year). SU does neither.

by rs27 on Feb 23, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can have your opinion

I’ve got mine and the stats to back it up.

I just don’t understand why everyone has a case of misoneism when it comes to the zone. If Boeheim doesn’t put long bodies in the zone then man seems more logical. Throw in some possessions of zone here and there to slow down the rate of fatigue if he needs to.

I just don’t get how many more good teams as well as mediocre teams have to shred the zone to pieces before people are open to switching.

by Jameson_Fleming on Feb 23, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We dont have the conventional players to match up with teams that have a 1,2,3,4 and 5 lineup. Paul is not a 2,3 or 4. Ricky is a 5. AO is a 5. Kristof @4 is not going to help the offense. Johnny is an undersized PG. Devo’s idea of man to man D is fouling. Andy makes a lot of mistakes.

The zone is supposed to cover these weaknesses up by giving them simple tasks. Guards, get in the lane. Dont let them drive the middle, force them to the outside. Jump in the way with your arms up. Forwards, come out on the corner 3, double in the post. Center, get posted up, block shots, watch for cutters. Hands up at all times.

The other thing about man, have you seen us play against a pick and roll? Awful.

But if you know so much, why are you blogging and not coaching? Im sure you could get a GA position and work your way up and prove me wrong.

by ryanwk628 on Feb 23, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How few teams actually have a 1 through 5 in their lineup?

almost none.

Every team comes across mis-matches. Anyone lineup SU throws out against a team will probably be subject to a mis-match. Anyone lineup SU throws out will across create mis-matches for the other team.

I write because I want to go into journalism/report/media, not coaching.

by Jameson_Fleming on Feb 23, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe you could help the team out. Jimmy B should read your column and learn.

But if Flynn wants to play more man and Jimmy keeps putting them in zone, Im going to defer to the coach. This past summer Jim was coaching LBJ and CP3 to an olympic gold. Johnny went to the Kings skills camp to learn from those guys.

If the guys were playing hard, and another team was attacking the spaces like the top elbows (thats the left and right of the free throw line) forcing the center to come out or shooting the lights out… yea make a change to man, or a trap/press. But right now the our D is lacking because of effort, not the system.

The thing I have issue with is not jims coaching, but how he does not have the guys buying into his system. He should take the approach he took with kristof and let guys spend some time on the bench for lack of effort, but no one puts johnny in a corner.

As I was saying in other posts, zone covers up our weaknesses. If the guys played with intensity, the zone would be terrifying. Go position by position with any team in the BE, and the mismatches favor the other team most of the time.

by ryanwk628 on Feb 23, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ricky is a center. He says it, Jimmy B says it.

AO cannot stop anyone right now. Hes hurt, and his self esteem is dwindling. Put him man to man with Blair and its going to be a long day.

The zone is not forcing TOs because our guys are not active in it. Again, not Jimmys fault or the systems fault. Im sure Johnny would love to play street ball with paul on offense, but its not going to win games in this league.

by ryanwk628 on Feb 23, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Points

#1… this echoes my point about the team being most troubled from a mental standpoint. I know they are physically hurting… but even the turnovers are ugly. Driving into 3 guys and not passing to the open person left behind is not because you are injured or ill… it is mental.

#2… elsewhere I have posted that the problem is not zone v M2m. What I want to know is why we can’t mix up defenses from time to time just to keep the opponent off base? Why not start M2M against ’Nova just because they are expecting the zone… and then switch into the zone thereafter. Then, 10 possessions later… switch to M2m just for the heck of it.

#3… I agree with the hands. Particularly Flynn and Devo. They often keep their hands down… I just don’t get it. That should be a benching offense. If Flynn and Devo want to take turns playing the point until they focus on ‘D’, it’s fine with me.

by ezcuse on Feb 23, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tired

With JB only playing 7 guys, they can get tired pretty quickly playing man to man for 40 minutes. the zone allows them to catch their breath a bit, but what the players need to realize is that they still need to be active in the zone while catching their breath.

by smaze on Feb 23, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's a poor excuse

Plenty of teams go 7 deep or even less and run an effective man D.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

name them

i want to see a boxscore

by smaze on Feb 23, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

UConn now runs seven deep without Dyson. They are 4th in defensive efficiency,
West Virginia is fifth defensively and runs seven deep. Cam Throughman, their eighth man hardly plays in BE, he’s SU’s equivalent to Kris Joesph.
Arizona State is 30th defensively (SU is 60th) and they run seven deep.
Gonzaga uses eight guys and is 18th defensively.
Washington runs seven guys and is 15th defensively.

It can be done.

by Jameson_Fleming on Feb 23, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sick of it

Play more than 7 guys then. Other teams play guys like Williams and Thomas for 1-2 minutes a game. It’s how you use them. Instead of “relaxing” in the zone, take them out, let them actually rest, and play a frenetic defense.

Watching MSU/Wisconsin game live yesterday really clued me in to how much strategy “meat” we are “leaving on the bone” every game.

by ezcuse on Feb 23, 2009 3:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Poor Play

Is a result of poor coaching. Regardless of how many people are playing, this team is undisciplined and selfish and 39 three-point attempts is exhibit A, and that falls on Boeheim’s shoulders. He’s the one that is supposed to mold these guys into his style of basketball, and when Paul Harris chucks up seven 3’s, and then says afterwards he’ll “always” take those shots when he’s open, even though the percentage is horrendous, that’s Jimmy’s fault for not controlling him.

Jim Boeheim is one of the great coaches in college basketball history, but in the past few years, his teams have vastly underachieved because his players have underachieved, while other coaches in the Big East are getting more out of lesser-touted recruits and players. I’m not saying I’m ready to see a changing of the guard, but it’d be nice if the man would just once take responsibility instead of pawning it off on his players.

by Matt M. on Feb 24, 2009 1:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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