Mount Cuseless
by Sean Keeley on Feb 2, 2009 2:33 PM EST
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PrintLast week I asked who you thought should join Jim Boeheim, Jim Brown and Ernie Davis up on Mount Cusemore. It's a tough choice, and I'm not sure there's a right answer. Do you give Sidat-Singh the nod for his historical value? Lacrosse needs some love but do you honor the coach who built the empire or the empire's greatest warrior? Does one season of greatness give Carmelo the nod? Everyone's got a pretty good argument for all of them.
Well you voted and you decided that Mount Cusemore will not get a 4th member. It will get a 4th AND 5th member. While Jim Brown played lacrosse, the need to add a lacrosse-specific honoree seemed to be important. Problem is, we split on Roy Simmons Jr and Gary Gait, 68 votes apeice. And I gotta be honest with you...that's probably perfect.
In a couple years time, when Gary Gait has turned SU women's lacrosse into the top program in the country and won a national title or two, maybe he'll start the get an edge. Maybe not. But for the time being, I think this works.
Another question was raised during the process and I think it's a fantastic one. We're clear on who the All-Time Great are...but who are the All-Time Worst of Syracuse Athletics? If we're carving the faces of our best and brightest into the Mount Cusemore mountain wall, who are the four most deserving folks to have their faces set upon Mount Cuseless, which will be carved into the wall behind the Manlius Citgo station? Some nominees...
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Wikipedia...go!
In his junior year, Williams moved to the starting point guard position and started all 33 games he appeared in. Williams earned a spot on the All Big East Third Team with averages of 15.9 points and 4.1 assists per game. However, in mid-season, Williams was moved back to shooting guard because of turnover problems.
On top of that, a rift developed between him and Preston Shumpert on the court, and Williams began to run into trouble outside the court. In March 2002. Williams was charged with driving while intoxicated. He was eventually convicted of driving while ability-impaired and missed three games.
Immediately following his junior year, trouble would find Williams again. In May 2002, Williams was involved in a fight at an off-campus bar. The fight was involving a woman, Nicole Wilcox, who was the Syracuse mascot Otto the Orange. The trial went to trial, and many Syracuse athletes testified. Williams fell asleep during part of the trial, which caused concerns about his character. Although Williams was eventually cleared of assault charges by the jury, he was dismissed from Syracuse University on July 24, 2002 because of academic problems.
In summary, he beat up Otto and slept with his teammate's girlfriend. Not a good guy.
Originally suspended his freshman year after he was suspended, due in large part to allegations that he raped and sexually assaulted two female students. Cleared of the allegations, he celebrated by playing in an unsanctioned summer league, which is illegal and landed him a 12-game suspension to start the year. Became starting point guard for the Orange his sophomore year only to leave the team suddenly toward the end of the year. Missed the begining of his junior year, came back and worked his way into the starting line-up again and promptly left again for "undisclosed reasons." He never played again for SU and is SU's prototype What Could Have Been guy.
Head Coach of Syracuse football from 1892 to...1892. The Orange were by no means great before Wells but certainly not 0-8-1 bad. But that's what the Orange did in their only winless season on record.
Opponents scored 218 points against the Orage that season. The Orange scored...four. Yep. Four points. All season long. And they scored all four of those points in one game, every other one was a shutout. Including the tie, a 0-0 slugfest against Syracuse AA, whatever the hell that was.
Ladies and gentlemen, a Syracuse coach actually worse than Greg Robinson.
Those are four that I came up with but I look to you to fill in the blanks. Got a nominee of your own you want to be considered? Mention below and we'll add them to the list. Maybe we'll even vote on them if it gets heated enough. Keep it to things and events that happened while at SU...anything that happened afterwards doesn't count (Lucky for you, Josh Wright).
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What about the male cheerleader that murdered his girlfriend four years ago?
I know it might be a stretch to call it a sport, but it is part of athletics…
Although I must say that I do like your list as it stands.
jordan c wells
Syracuse AA was the syracuse atheletic association….enter the encyclopedia of pro football in cny
1892 Syracuse Athletic Association
SCORES
Record: 4-2-1
September 24, 1892 Cornell University 16 vs. Syracuse A.A. 0
October 12, 1892 Syracuse University 0 vs. Syracuse A.A. 24
October 21, 1892 Syracuse University 4 vs. Syracuse A.A. 18
October 26, 1892 Hamilton College 16 vs. Syracuse A.A. 10
November 1, 1892 University of Rochester 0 vs. Syracuse A.A. 10
November 9, 1892 Syracuse A.A. 0 vs. Syracuse University 0
November 24, 1892 Syracuse University 0 vs. Syracuse A.A. 4
does that season count if they beat us 3 times that year plus the tie
Keep it to things and events that happened while at SU…anything that happened afterwards doesn’t count
So no Mike Vick? I think we should put him up there as a what could have been.
Phil Nash – got beat constantly in big games (see: orange bowl)
Winfred Walton – the last player to accept 44 in either sport, though he never wore it.
Billy Celleck – I watched him bang on a door at the top of the steps of carnegie for like 15 minutes trying to get in
Todd Bergen – The original Eric Devendorf, both on and off the court.
Would it be bad to nominate Donte Green?
Came to Syracuse with a lot of hype. Showed flashes of brilliance diluted heavily with very poor shot selection and a lack of effort on the defensive end. Led Syracuse to its second straight NIT appearance. After toying with fans’ emotions, left for the NBA
?
Edelin??
No way Billy Edelin should be anywhere near this list. I don’t care about all his failures, problems, screwups, etc. He was a major contributor for a team that won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. He played extremely well in the title game itself, scoring a couple of highly clutch second half baskets after Gerry and Carmelo had cooled off. No way anyone who pulled their weight on the 2003 team should be associated with any shame award.
But if we start talking about Josh Wright…that’s a candidacy I can get behind.
Gotta be greggers.....
Is this even a contest? We are talking about that singlehandedly set back the fball program…are we not? None of these other chumps (Edelin/D Will, etc.) set the actual program back to the stone ages…
sensitive issue, but...
I hate to say it, but a certain Troy Nunes himself might be a worthy candidate for contention. Not sure if he’d make the top four, but he certainly embodies and represents the beginning of the downfall of Syracuse football. I know his stats ultimately weren’t terrible, but in the fans eyes he was everything that was wrong with the program.
QB Billy Scharr....
from the late 80’s…….huge recruit who was basically a bust and then left the team after his junior year. Has some big games the one year he played when healthy but never lived up to the hype.
What about booster Bill Rapp? Wasn’t he the reason SU basketball got probation in the eaely ’90’s…….wasn’t he giving away cars to players or something?
I am with everybody else on Edelin, he helped bring the title so he can’t be on the list……..
matt konecny
wasn’t it his girlfreind who levied the charges against billy edelin
the artist put in charge of the ernie davis statue
and you beat me to it but i second bill rapp
DOC Gross
I feel like a bald head would be easy to carve. He could have a cell phone on each ear.
Oh wait, he saved Field Hockey, never mind.
I hate to say it
but he did quite a bit for women’s basketball and lacrosse too. Not that those excuse him from disdain, I just think he doesn’t quite crack the bottom 4.
hired grob
cut swimming
took credit for lax national championships and bball BE tourneys
but nothing for the first loosing season lacrosse had in a million years and back to back NIT tournaments.
also I was on the rowing team and the dude never came to a race. Went to england and skipped henley, the reason we were there.
also
he is a big reason everyone else around the league/ncaa hates us and we get dicked in scheduling and what not.
dicked in scheduling?????
check our bb non conference …….check our up coming non conference football schedule, we dont even sniff usc with out his connection
in the league
all those games stacked together, then a 10 day lay off? football same thing. Im not making it up Ive read it somewhere.
And why is playing USC a good thing? We are going to get shit on. Then all those 5star recruits who cant decide cuse or Southern Cal may be swayed that way
gross
my biggest complain about gross, besides hiring greggers, is that this university’s athletic department has become more about the money than the students.
student section
look at other school’s student sections, and then look at ours. the location is terrible and the reason being, the university can make more money by charging the public more money.
The entire university
is more about money than the students. It always has been. The student section has been awful since the early nineties. When there wasn’t really a ‘student section’ you had to enter a lottery to get tickets that could be in the 3rd or 1st tier.
GRob
I was a Jets fan who suffered through the Rich Kotite era, and I have to say, the similarities to Greg Robinson are many (and terrifying). Both are endless optimists who ran Club Med style training camps, both were infamous for uttering empty-headed platitudes after every head-scratching loss, and both have the distinction of driving their respective football clubs to the worst records in team history. When Kotite got hired by the Jets, he took over a mediocre team run by Pete Carroll, and promptly took that average team and made them a laughingstock (sound familiar, Orange fans?). Ironically enough, who was Pete Carroll’s defensive coordinator on that 1994 club? None other than Greg Robinson himself.
What’s the point of my post? Oh yeah. Greg Robinson helped destroy both football teams that I love, and for that, I vote him banished to the ignominy of Mount Cuseless. Good guy, terrible coach. That should be his epithet. Well, that or “never was able to get the team to snowball into something that could catch fire.”
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
So it has to be an SU guy?
If not – I nominate the gutless Auburn coach who went for the tie in the Sugar Bowl.
I’d agree that anyone on a final four or championship team is out.
I’d go with GRob, DayShaun, Mike Conley’s knees, and G-Mac’s groin injury.
how about we nominate the casual su fan
the one who gets pissed when you chear he is the same guy thats sits all game crap lost my train of thaught
The same dickhead
Who asks you to “sit down” all the time? I hate that guy.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
I always seem
To be seated near him. F that guy.
"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998
A-Rob
We can’t get Devendorf to use the bounce pass, but A-Rob had it down against Rutgers.
Really… one good game EVER: Louisville. And he almost fumbled that away too.
His incompetence during camp last year set back our offense AND defense.
Heck... Perry Patterson too
Nothing like those emotionless sideline shots of him to squelch out any expectation of the team mounting a comeback. Try to at least ACT like you understand the offensive schemes. Even if they are G-Rob influenced retarded ones.
Johnny Morant
Nice of you to take a cup of coffee in the NFL after leading us right to the apex of mediocrity during your tenure.
Crouthamel has to get some votes.......
he let the department decline (facilities and didn’t keep up in the fundraising department) near the end of his tenure and has to share some of the blame with Mr. Clean…….err…..Daryl Gross
Johnny Morant/Lavar Lobdell
They could share a face on the mountain representing all the 5 star “play-maker” recruits that crapped the bed. Morant was better than Lobdell, but they came in with the same hype and never came close to living up to it.
Wait...GEORGE DELEONE!
Any explanation needed?
Seriously, are Coach P and DeLeone the football equivalent of Ernie and Bert?
The Assistant B-Bball Coaches
In charge of rebounding, free throw shooting, and “not being arrested” for assaulting other students, particularly women.
DERRICK COLEMAN
totally embodies the “Less with More” curse that has always plagued us. Face it, as much as I love Jimmy, if he was only an average recruiter, he would have been let go years ago….
The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.
Final one: Boeheim's finger and nose
They seem to contact each other a lot on TV. It’s like the finger sees the red light from afar and immediately goes into itch the nose, expand the nostril, or just plain old give it a pick. Where is Julie to fix that?
Julie did fix it . . .
Look closely – Jimmy generally does the ole bait & switch – it looks like he’s going for the gold, then – BAM! He rubs or scratches the outside of the shnozz. Can we put Julie on Mount Cusemore?
Mt. Cuseless candidate
Mandel Robinson (Jackie R WSTM anchor’s brother)—great local back at N. Syracuse High lured to SU with promise of 44—f****d up so bad, hounded out of town and ended up at U. of Wyoming.
Cuseless
Edilen cant be on there, he was our starting point guard on our national championship team. He set Gmac and Melo for open shots all the time and dropped dimes to Warrick like no other.
Shumpert and DeShaun were both cancers to our team. I know DeShaun slept with shumperts girl but didnt Shumpert also sleep with Forths girl?
G-Rob is definitely up there.
I think Gross ,Cantor, and Bud Poliquin should be nominated also.
Hey hey easy on Cantor
She “greened” the campus and has made it Muslim friendly……..really something to be proud of
I believe you are being sarcastic,
but for all her shit-tastic work, those are two of the few things I give her positive credit for.
Wow Sean
way to dig up past daemons.
You may as well have poked the sad drunk at the bar and said “hey isnt that the guy who your wife left you for before taking all your money and pride?”
Has anyone mentioned
Mr. Troy Nunes himself!?!?
I hear he's a complete sorcerer, or an amazing wizard, or something like that
I brought up Nunes up at the top but nobody ran with it. I would think he would get a lot of votes, but maybe not reach the bottom four. Perhaps Sean doesn’t want to take the bait since they’re buddies now… ;)
Troy Nunes was a class guy.
He was a hard worker who GREATLY overachieved for someone with relatively modest physical tools. He also came to accounting class and actually paid attention. A genuine student-athlete. If he seemed over his head on the field at times – well, maybe he was. But don’t blame him for P & co. not developing a better QB (or locking in Vick) to follow in McNabb’s footsteps. He did everything he knew how to help his team – and he did win a few games, btw.
I will not stand for Troy Nunes bashing! Completely undeserved.
the 1987 Orange
They went to the National Title game. They beat #1 ranked UNC in the east regional.
That 1987 team was great. They lost the next year (Rhode Island) because Sherman had the flu, and in 89 they lost to an arguably more talented Illinois team. I just don’t understand. Sure, they didn’t win a national title. Only 1 team does. It happens. They had a great run.
Derrick Coleman left school as the NCAA modern record holder for rebounds. No one who ever played college basketball before in the modern era had more rebounds than Coleman. He had 19 rebounds as a freshman in the title game. How many more rebounds did you want him to get? Twice as many as anyone else? Four times?
Sherman Douglas left school as the all time leader in assists, more than anyone who has ever played college basketball. How many more did you want him to have? He was one of the 10 best college players of the 80s. HE WAS BETTER THAN PEARL! He is still the best college PG to play in the big east.
You take back what you said about those late 80s Orange teams. You take it back right now.
Looooouie McCroskey?
I don’t remember anyone else that got worse from their freshman through (junior?) year
i dont know about louie
i never thought he had big time D-1 talent; i think thats more on the coaching staff for recruiting a player who had no business being there.
my vote goes to the “wright” brothers, josh and dayshawn. you cant piss away an entire year of recruiting, and let’s not forget that mystery suspension before the vermont debacle.
bad knees
and i’m gonna say that three against rutgers saves him
well how bout that whole class then
i remember jimmy b saying this might syracuses greatest recruiting class ever their freshman year
There is only one
and only one there shall be. Only the Greggers belongs on the mountain top. No other single person in the history of SU has totally destroyed a program. Any program.
Like a great god that some tribe in the jungles of New Guinea pray to, ONLY the Greggers is needed on Mount Clueless.
“SO SAY WE ALL!”
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