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Marrone: A Man And His Dream

It's weird, right?  It's weird that three coaches were fired on Monday, including the offensive coordinator who came to us to us so highly regarded, and Doug Marrone hasn't made one appearance or done one interview to discuss this, yes?  Am I nuts?

Sure, he's got recruiting to do.  But you're telling me he can't hop on the phone with a radio station?  Or spend five minutes on the phone with Donnie?  Or stop holding back DOC Gross who you just know wants to run to the rooftops and shout out his statement to the automatons scurrying below him?  We have the written statement but chances are extremely good that Marrone didn't even have anything to do with that.

I suppose Doug is just taking the whole "what happens in my house stays in my house" thing to the extreme.  We already know he doesn't discuss off-the-field issues with players or players that leave the team.  I guess the same thing stands for coaches that leave the team.

But I think Brent Axe nails it today in his article about Marrone.  Brent suggests that the next offensive coordinator Doug Marrone should hire is...Doug Marrone. And he hits on something I don't think we've really delved into too much...Doug's ego.

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In listening to many post game press conferences, especially after losses, did you ever notice how often Marrone would blame execution as the issue and not the game plan?

Doug Marrone has FIERCE confidence in his game plans. He takes tremendous pride in the preparation he puts into the plan he puts together for each week's game.That isn't my opinion by the way, Marrone has said that himself a number of times.

When you have that kind of ego (or confidence if you prefer), it goes back to the trust issue I brought up before.

No one can run his offense as well as he can because he knows it better than anyone.

So just go with that. If your plan is the best one week in and week out, than you have no one to blame but yourself if it fails.

I think most of us have noticed Doug's insistence on the gameplans.  One many occasions Donnie or Rahme would write a post-game article outlining the SU offensive gameplan and how it worked or did not work.  They never used to do that with Greggers.  Possibly because Doug is so insistent on his gameplans and how good they can be when executed properly that it's hard to ignore.

And I agree that Marrone would prefer to put all of the onus on himself.  Remember, this is a guy who has been dreaming on nothing but this job for his entire coaching career.  He's keep planning for this his entire adult life.  There is no way on Earth that he's going to let anyone else screw it up for him.

As for whether or not Marrone should be his own OC?  Why not?  If he can handle the workload and balance the needs of running the entire team versus running the offense, then I'm all for it.  Obviously the guy's experienced enough and has a very clear vision on what he wants.

In the meantime...another day, more silence.  Marrone does things his way.  Hopefully they work out.

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I know many of us believe he took over playcalling/OC duties in the last few weeks of the season already...

If that is true, he should continue because after the loss of Williams, Delone looked to be the only playmaker on the team. Then Rutgers happened. And even though we lost, the UConn game had some dandy offensive numbers as well.

by NOLACuse on Dec 2, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

I wire tapped Rob Spence’s office and got the inside scoop. Here is a conversation that happened right before the UofL game:

HCDM
: “Hey Spency… Land any big recruits this week?”
[OC Rob Spence puts down his sky blue crayola crayon and looks up at HCDM]
Spence: “Nope. Too busy working on plays.”
HCDM: “Well I guess thats good Rob. So whats the game plan for this week?”
Spence: “I was thinking screen pass to the WR, and maybe mix in some screen pass to the WR”
HCDM: “What if we bring Ryan in, do you have a package for him?”
Spence: “Stop me if Im too far outside the box, but Im drawing something up right now and get this… Ready?… Screen pass to the WR!”
HCDM: “Ill give you until the end of the season to clear out your office.”

by ryanwk628 on Dec 2, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

au contraire"

naturally, i concede that with all the defections from the team, and injuries , knute rockne himself would have need ed a super human effert. however, having read the axeman" article, i dont agree with some of his salient points.namely, shafer is total on top of the defense. we hold these truths to be evident". namely, when a so so team, scores 56 points on u, that is not hard core proof u are genius, even tho u are missing lots of players from your starters on defense. and as far as game plans: execution? to reiterate: having mentioned this once before, when u had macnabb in charge of the offense, and to some extent marvin graves and mcpherson, it was a 3 ring circus(thankfully!) namely, even delone and pasqualbongna 1/2 the time , along with donnie knew what was gonna happen next in the big house vs michigan. much less the michigan defense. big 11 defenses tend to get very confused ala lou holtz and his ND teams, when playing opton football. so , when it comes to execution" with so many offenses, its very tres free lance. and that is great, ala usaf ,navy, etc, since u are tasked with making a choice, right or wrong in a sheer instant. who said? that the plan of battle never survives a actual combat? molke? bismark.. probably not ww-2 guys like erich von manstein, erwin rommel, or heizn guderian , but surely they felt the same way. unlike the hackeyed cliche, deutch mid level officiers/oberst/kapitaine types, were given the basic plan, but were encouredged, unlike american, english or russian officers to deviate to win the battle. i have faith in marrone in his ability to recruit primo players, however, i wonder if he is too much of a control freak" to give up the reins of the offense to a innovative co ordinator, and a opton qb?

by eiremist on Dec 2, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Obviously drunk

though impressive that you manage to combine marrone, holtz, and erwin rommel (desert fox!) all in one breathe.

I think we should remember that HCDM didn’t call plays in New Orleans. He was in Spence’s roll, relative to Sean Payton. But the point is a valid one re: whether he could ever really feel comfortable delegating play calling responsibilities to someone else now. It’s like he relates to his planning like John McEnroe does to his tennis game…they both get enraged because they know they’re making art and everyone else is scewing that up.

Maybe Greg Paulus is named the next OC.

by lemonysnicket9 on Dec 2, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You were close.

It was von Moltke the Elder that said ‘No plan survives contact with the enemy’.

Most impressive posting in a long time

by moosedontbounce on Dec 2, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

anal compulsive grammar and spelling poleizi/genderme/carabeineri/politti/policia?

no, i dont need to see their stinking badges.. das spell check poleizi! “treasure of sierra madre”. and non.. the reason why the run spread opton is not working at michigan is probably that grob and his defense is hopeless. what else is new. meaning the offense is on the field constantly. and also: michigan level of players is probably at this point, barely above that of syracuse.

by eiremist on Dec 2, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

—He (steve Kragthorpe) said he has already been offered three coaching positions, one being an offensive coordinator gig at a BCS conference school.

From the Card Chronicle recap of his goodbye presser.

by ryanwk628 on Dec 2, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

“IT AIN’T ‘KRAGTHORPING’ IT IF ITS ALREADY BROKEN, REMEMBER THAT!”

by stumpycuse on Dec 2, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not

buying the whole “ego” thing. Confidence in what he does? Yes- but I think that stems from all the preperation he does. From day one HCDM has preached that all of these changes are about the team and the school. I have not heard him make one remark that left me thinking that Marrone sees what he is doing as “his way”. I think he sees all of what the program is doing as the “right way” because that’s how he was taught and that’s what he has seen succeed.

by FireMikeVeley on Dec 2, 2009 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

HCDM

was recently working with Sean Payton, who is a member of the Bill Parcells coaching tree. Guys from this system (including all the NE guys) like to keep things close to the chest and control all aspects of the game. SU alum Tom Coughlin is also a member of the Parcells tree and look at how tight a ship he runs in NY. Disipline is the name of the game (quite the opposite of GRob) Look at Caughlin’s first year and how much backlash there was from the players. Once he cleared out the dead weight and the bad guys in the locker room (Tiki, Shockey) they won a superbowl with a roster of team players.

I can see HCDM wanting to control the offense and buy this argument just because he has seen how successful that approach can be. And lets be honest, Sean Payton had a lot to do with the offense with the saints. After experiencing that, I dont expect Doug to give up the reins.

That being said, HCDM is also a product of the Tony Dungy coaching tree (defensive minded with a real love for your players) by way of Herman Edwards. A lot of that mentality can be seen in his treatment of Paulus. If you were to ask an expert to pick an NFL guy to be a successful college coach, it would be anyone from the Dungy tree because he and his deciles have shown so much loyalty to their players and dedicate themselves to helping them develop both on and off the field.

All in all the guy has worked under some good teachers and evidence there of is shown in his treatment of the many situations we have been through in his turbulent first year.

by ryanwk628 on Dec 2, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Excellent post

Well said man

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Dec 2, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

“deciles” should be disciples. I need to proof read my posts.

Then I read eriemist’s and dont feel so bad.

by ryanwk628 on Dec 2, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember that...

Sean Payton was the OC for Jim Fassel when the Giants went to the Superbowl 10 or so years ago. Sean had his play calling duties stripped from him by Fassel that year but he continued as OC.
Now Payton gets the Saints job, hires HCDM as his OC but keeps the play-calling duties to himself.
Now HCDM takes over the play-calling duties for SU. I think he will look to hire someone as OC to work with the offense but he will keep the play calling duties for himself.

by moosedontbounce on Dec 2, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

hopefully he hires a guy who is a teacher and recruiter. Who cares if he is a brilliant play caller.

by ryanwk628 on Dec 2, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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