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Brian Kelly Left...Get Over It

So, you think Brian Kelly was dickish in the way he left Cincinnati to take the Notre Dame job.  Fine.  I posed this question on Twitter last night but I'll post it again.  If Brian Kelly did it "the wrong way," show me a coach who left one school to coach another and did it "the right way."

You can't.  Cause there's no such thing. 

Truth is, Brian Kelly did it about as smoothly as one can, which isn't all that smoothly at all.  Anyone who has ever traded in one job or another, regardless of what industry you work in, can tell you that.  There's always hurt feelings.  You always leave someone in the lurch.  It's not personal, but someone always makes it personal.  But at the end of the day, you do what's best for you.  You look out for No. 1.  You know why?  Cause no one else will.  Brian Kelly is always two bad seasons away from being fired, be it at Notre Dame or even Cincinnati.  Today's savior is tomorrow's chump.  Just ask Mark Mangino.

So, Brian Kelly should have been more forthcoming, huh?  He should have told his players first?  He should have stayed because of loyalty and commitment and other arbitrary words that have similar definitions? 

Question:  Did Cincinnati fans feel bad when Kelly "turned his back" on Central Michigan and took the Bearcats job three years ago?  No?  Why not...he "ripped their Chippewa hearts out," didn't he?  What a scoundrel, no?  What's the difference?

Truth is, Kelly was probably more forthcoming than any coach in his position in a long time.  Dude actually made public statements about his intentions to interview with Notre Dame.  He never denied their interest nor his own.  He laid the expectations out on the table about as clearly as one could.  He didn't tell the public everything...you know why?  Cause only a moron would do that.  He's sitting at a bargaining table where information and perception means millions of dollars, why the hell would he run to the papers or his locker room and spill his guts? 

To say Kelly is a jerk is to have no perspective.  It's like saying Johnny Flynn is a jerk for going pro rather than staying at Syracuse.  So, he should give up his dream profession and the chance to make guaranteed millions so that you, a stranger, can feel better about wearing your Syracuse t-shirt?  The question is simple...would you have done the same?  Would you have stayed for "love of the game" and risked injury or a lousy season that plummeted your draft stock?  If you say yes you either a liar or mentally-handicapped. 

And let's be clear about something...no one at Cincinnati should be surprised that the best coach to walk through their doors in...forever...left to go coach the most storied program in the entire sport.  For all it's recent success, it's still Cincinnati.  They still play in an overgrown Patriot League stadium.  They'll always going to be second banana in their own state when it comes to college football. 

Could he have stayed and built Cincinnati into a powerhouse for years to come?  Absolutely.  But little kids don't play football in their backyard pretending to lead Cincinnati to the national championship.  They pretend to be on Notre Dame.  Or USC.  Or Texas. 

Star-divide

Bearcat WR Marty Gilyard, whose comments were somewhat taken out of context, said yesterday that Kelly "went for the money" and that he's "fairly disgusted with the situation."  Hey Marty, what are you doing at Cincinnati?  What's your goal?  Is it to make a crapton of money playing in the NFL at the next level or is it to play football at Cincinnati for free for the rest of your life?  Thought so...

Here at Syracuse, we're actually in quite an enviable position.  There is no job that someone could offer to Jim Boeheim that would ever make him leave.  And believe me, people have tried.  This is the apex of his coaching career.  And the way Doug Marrone talks, it sounds like the same thing.  Aside from maybe one day coaching a pro team, Marrone has always viewed Syracuse as the top of the mountain.  Until he accomplishes his goal (or fails miserably), he isn't going anywhere. 

For almost every other institution, there is always a better option.  The guy at Grand Valley State will always want to move up to Central Michigan, who will always want to move up to Cincinnati, who will always want to move up to Notre Dame.  No different than how you or I want to move up the ladder in our own professions.  Next time someone offers you a better job for more money and better benefits, let me know if you turn it down.  I'll be happy to swing by and thump your skull for you.

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Well put.

The most profound and enlightening line ever put to film was

“It’s not personal, it’s strictly business”
  -Michael Corleone.

The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.

by StrawHatGuy on Dec 11, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

The only thing I disagree with

Is the BS that he can leave in a minute without consequence, but if his players (to whom he probably promised to them and their parents that he’d be there for the duration) wanted to leave for whatever reason, they have to sit out an entire season. That’s BS. Kelly can do what he wants, though I hope he fails miserably at Notre Dame (nothing personal though, I hope every coach at Notre Dame fails miserably).

by wildcatlh on Dec 11, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

That's not Kelly's fault

That’s the NCAA’s fault. They should have stricter policies on coaches leaving OR they should lighten the policies regarding transfers.

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by Sean Keeley on Dec 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

this is an NCAA issue. NOT a indictment on BK.

by Cody K on Dec 11, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Stricter policies on coaching isn't really an option, unfortunately.

Tony Barnhardt was talking about this (on local radio in Atlanta) today, saying they’ve tried it before but ended up paying for it in the courts (to the tune of $40+ million) because you basically can’t interfere with someone’s ability to apply for or take a better job somewhere else if they want to.

by firstmatewiggles on Dec 11, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Schools

should start putting clauses in contracts stating if a coach leaves then he has to pay a certain percentage of his remaining contract. It forces coaches to consider whether or not a long extension is a good thing.

Think about it, if the coach is fired after a few years on a 10 year contract, doesn’t the university still owe him money? Why don’t they just turn the tables on the coach and force him to be more loyal.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Dec 11, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The new school

will pay any penalty for him if they want the coach bad enough

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by Sean Keeley on Dec 12, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have liked to have seen him coach the Sugar Bowl

He could have said I want to be/am the new ND coach, but I’m going to coach the Sugar Bowl.

Honestly, can he tell a recruit that he is loyal?

by actioncuse on Dec 11, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

it's pretty easy to say you're loyal at Notre Dame

the only way anyone would ever leave would be for a job in the NFL;

Defending the Cassel since 2009

by bwelch37 on Dec 11, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're sane

There are a few college jobs you’d leave ND for, as they’ve got the same or better resources, are on TV just as much, and don’t have ND’s negatives. Florida, Alabama, Texas, and USC for sure. Probably Oklahoma and Ohio State and LSU. Maybe Georgia and Michigan and Oregon (actually, you could make a good case Oregon’s the best job in the country — you’ve got resources out the yin-yang thanks to Phil Knight, passionate fans, you play in a great conference, and nobody thinks you’re a bum if you go 10-2).

by drothgery on Dec 11, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

(but who really cares about Oregon)(they’re going to the rose bowl and I only know one player)(because he punched some dude in the face one night while I was watching TV)

I know about your diabolical plan.

by Kevin HD on Dec 14, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I mostly agree.

But I think negotiating a way to coach in the Sugar Bowl would have been a reasonable gesture. And one that he owed his players. I don’t fault him for taking the job (except that I think he will fail as all others will until Notre Dame realizes it isn’t the 60’s anymore), but I think he owed more to his players. He didn’t need to clear it with them or anything like that, but their reactions seem to indicate he basically had nothing to say to them about it. Business or not, team sports involve relationships more than many other professions. You can’t escape the personal aspect, so handling a transition with some care isn’t asking too much.

by NOLACuse on Dec 11, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe BK wanted to coach in the Sugar Bowl...

but the AD said ‘no’. It wouldn’t be the first time. I guess we will never know.

“a Cincinnati man will coach Cincinnati, not an Notre Dame man.”

by moosedontbounce on Dec 11, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, if they really wanted Kelly he could have demanded that.

Mullen did Miss St for a month last year before going back and coaching in the NC game with Florida. Maybe they said they wanted him, but would go to Edsall if he coached in the Sugar Bowl, but then, what does that say about how they feel about him? I think he could’ve done it some way.

by NOLACuse on Dec 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the poster you are replying to was suggesting that the Cincinnati AD may have said no, not the Notre Dame AD.

by Orange22 on Dec 11, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Kelly

left the gun and took the cannoli

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by Sean Keeley on Dec 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

His team has a right to bitch

They’re kids. They’ve trusted this guy for the last 3+ years, and he’s helped them realize dreams they’d probably never even had – only to have him walk out on them at what is likely the biggest moment in most of their sports lives. They’re going to be bitter, and they should be – they haven’t quit on him, and they should get the same respect.

by temolloy on Dec 11, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

I have no problem with what Kelly did

As you mention, there is no easy way to leave in a situation like that, and despite the fact that Notre Dame blows, the name and money alone are a reason to take on that challenge. It’s obviously a step up for Kelly, and a good hire for Notre Dame.

That being said…

I have no problem with the players throwing a collective “screw you” at Brian Kelly. Even though it’s a business, and this was a business decision, they don’t have to be happy for the guy. I have no problem with them popping off, and galvanizing around the whole “it’s just us now – let’s win it to spite that prick” thing they have going on leading up to the Sugar Bowl. Both sides in this have to do what they have to do, and what’s best for each.

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Dec 11, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Emotions

are always going to be involved. It’s always business…but it never is at the same time.

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by Sean Keeley on Dec 11, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't been following this much, so maybe I'm missing something.

But why did they have to make this official before the bowl game? Couldn’t they have signed something and attempted to keep it quiet for a month so that Kelly can finish the season with these kids?

Or would that be impossible with leaks and rumors and just pointless?

by voteprime on Dec 11, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

At least

he didn’t sign a contract extension for another 10 years, then opt out after the 2nd one. That’s what I hate more than anything. Coaches like Petrino and Saban that make promises and then abandon them as soon as something better comes along. At least if you’re honest about things, I can accept your decision.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Dec 11, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Mr. Kelly is not at fauly, however the NCAA is.

I will keep this brief, but why does an athlete have to sit out a year when he transfers? Additionally why does the NCAA allow coaches under contract to speak with other schools prior to the season ending…The coach is justified in looking out for himself and his ineterests, but the NCAA should hold them to the same standars as they do the athletes

by Lofty on Dec 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Another

archaic rule the NCAA follows to the letter

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by Sean Keeley on Dec 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought about the transfer rule.

What about this… Kelly goes to ND and takes Collaros and a bunch of guys with them? That would suck. At least any player who follows has to sit out a year. Give them incentive not to leave.

And look at basketball. You could have 8 guys transfer one year and not have a team at all. They could all flee right to Kentucky because Calipari is there. Then you would have BCS-level teams recruiting coaches because of the transferable talent.

You could have teams trying to lure G-Rob because A-Rob gets to come with him. Actually, that would have been cool. But assume we like G-Rob… you get the picture.

by ezcuse on Dec 11, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This sets bad precedent.

I’m sorry, I can’t take it anymore. Whenever a Big East coach finds success like this the media starts talking about them and how they should be coaching elsewhere. It happened to R2; now it’s happening to Kelly. It could happen to Maronne, Wannstedt, Schiano, Leavitt, Edsell, or whoever. The Big East isn’t safe anymore; every time a team gets good a coach bolts it seems.

by adselver15 on Dec 11, 2009 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

That's b/c

we don’t play in a BCS conference. Wait, we do? When did that change?

Seriously, a team from a BCS conference goes undefeated and barely gets the slightest whiff of the championship game. They need to go to a +1 system and fix this thing.

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Dec 11, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

A team from the ACC, SEC, Little Eleven, Little XII, or Le Paque-Tenne

If they go undefeated, they’re in the NC game.

If a team from the Big East goes undefeated, they lose their coach. THIS is the point I’m trying to make.

by adselver15 on Dec 11, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Cinci would have gone

had it not been for two of the most storied programs in CFB doing the same. Penn State has a pretty serious reputation, plays in the Big Ten, and would have been left out in 2005 had they beaten Michigan b/c of Texas and USC.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by Kevin HD on Dec 14, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

Penn State has a pretty good reputation. But then again the Auburn team with Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams got left out too. OU got blown away and they made a pretty good case.

by ryanwk628 on Dec 14, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

God, I hate ND.

Will someone in the BE please have the cajones to dump them so we can get a real conference member in here? The BE probably just lost its best coach, but to add insult to injury our conference champion now has to go play Florida without the guy who got them there. Aside from taking our bowl games, could they possibly screw the BE over any worse? Maybe Kelly hiring Edsall as an assistant?

by firstmatewiggles on Dec 11, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody likes ND

The only people who like ND who don’t have connections to the school are either over the age of 60 or are one of those people who root for the team their daddy rooted for. And most of these people don’t follow college football that much anyway.

by adselver15 on Dec 11, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think this is quite so cut and dry.

We don’t know what Kelly’s been telling his team this year (or in past years). He’s got a right to move on to take a higher profile spot/make more money, etc., but if he’s been telling them all along he wasn’t going anywhere then it’s a dick move to walk. Hate to say it, but I felt the same way about Flynn. I certainly don’t begrudge him his chance to move up when ithe timing’s right, but don’t say you’re not going anywhere if there’s a chance you might be.

Interesting question, though. If Texas misses the field goal or time runs out in the Neb game,does Kelly end up at ND? Theoretically he’d now be playing for a nat’l championship. Enough to make him stay?

by firstmatewiggles on Dec 11, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

But what about TCU and Boise in that case?

We’d just have more barking and controversy. Seriously, they need to change this system every year in order for it to work properly and they need to set it up at the last minute. Otherwise it just doesn’t work.

by adselver15 on Dec 11, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The controversy would've been another bonus if Texas lost,

at least as far as I’m concerned. The only time the BCS works is if there are clearly 2 best teams – not 1, not 3, not 5. They got lucky this year, but the system is clearly a joke.

But per the final BCS standings, Cincy edged out TCU for the #3 spot, so you’d assume they’d have gotten a shot at the title if Texas lost.

by firstmatewiggles on Dec 12, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

They aren’t out of the woods yet, a Bama and Cinci win could cause some problems.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by Kevin HD on Dec 14, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

BK's an a-hole

He did the same thing to Central Michigan when he left for Cincy.

“I’m gonna stay”

“Later dudes”

At least he’s consistent in his a-holeness.

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by Mike Breese on Dec 12, 2009 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

When you apply for a new job, do you tell all of your co-workers at your current job that you are hoping to get an offer for a great new job? Do you walk into your boss’s office and tell him that you like him but you are really hoping someone better will hire you?

Of course you don’t. You pretend nothing is happening until you give notice.

by Orange22 on Dec 12, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a difference though

If I leave a job, or you leave a job, it’s generally not going to affect everyone that works around us. When a college (or pro) head coach leaves their job for another one… generally, it means that all of his assistants are going to lose their jobs, since the new head coach is going to want to bring in his own people. Sure, 1 or 2 of them might follow their old coach to the new job. But that still means uprooting their families and such.

by wildcatlh on Dec 13, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You want a coach that left in the right way?

Bobby Petrino, with two middle fingers a blazing. That man has three balls.

by Joe Kutsunis on Dec 12, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

I gotta say the more I here about how he left, the more I think the players are justified in their anger.

As I’ve said, taking the ND job is one thing, but convincing your players that you are staying is pretty dick. Leaving some wiggle room would have done him wonders. That aside, the biggest dick move is the banquet. Bailing on the banquet, which was the same day as the announcement, just seems cold. You can try to make an argument for missing the Sugar Bowl, but there is no good or necessary reason to miss the banquet.

by NOLACuse on Dec 13, 2009 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

“Bearcat WR Marty Gilyard, whose comments were somewhat taken out of context, said yesterday that Kelly “went for the money” and that he’s “fairly disgusted with the situation.” Hey Marty, what are you doing at Cincinnati? What’s your goal? Is it to make a crapton of money playing in the NFL at the next level or is it to play football at Cincinnati for free for the rest of your life? Thought so…"

First off its Mardy. Secondly, this is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever read in my life. How would he be able to play college football for the remainder of his football playing career? I’m pretty sure that the prospect of doing that would be impossible. How could he get 15 years of eligability to play college football? Thought so. Who writes this s**t? This slow adult must’ve graduated from Syracuse’s remedial journalism course. What a dumb f**k.

by tswan16 on Dec 13, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

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