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Gottlieb's Response

A number of people have asked for Doug lasted POS article, here is what he wrote. Basically UNC isn't all that good and Syracuse may be the best team in the Big East, but all the other schools are down.


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It's hard not to be impressed by the Orange

Saturday, November 21, 2009 | Print Entry

 

Posted by Doug Gottlieb

Syracuse dominated in two consecutive nights at the Garden with blowouts of two teams ranked in the top 12, but its Coaches vs. Cancer title game win was far more impressive than the lopsided victory over Cal and it could point to something special about this Cuse team that was missing from last season's Sweet 16 version.

 

I took plenty of flak for what I wrote about Syracuse on Friday morning. It was not that I thought the Orange weren't any good Thursday night as I took in the game courtside. Instead it was more my lack of excitement at their shoddy execution of the zone at times, their big men not truly playing "all out" and the shear mismatch of talent with an inferior team that was hobbled and overhyped. Beating Carolina, an extremely young team who has a major flaw of poor guard play and zero guard depth, was far more impressive. Here is why.

 

Jim Boeheim was dialed in to win and his team responded. The Hall of Famer trimmed his bench, played Andy Rautins and Wesley Johnson all but seven minutes and coached as if it was the national title game.

While you can at times be critical of how Syracuse lets its guys play through mistakes, it works for this team more so due to the makeup of the roster. Though Rautins and Brandon Triche had nine combined turnovers against UNC, Boeheim seems to be able to get them to make up for it on the defensive end. While Roy Williams was running guys in and out of the game, Boeheim seemed far more comfortable knowing what he wanted and what he would receive from his group on the floor.

 

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Boeheim was high on both Wesley Johnson and his team this offseason. Now we know why.

Syracuse's big men were alive and alert along the baseline, specifically in the second half when they trapped without fouling in the "short corner." There are times when Arinze Onuaku and Rick Jackson have simply stood flat-footed and played "hands up Harry." Friday night was not one of those times.

The length of Syracuse is far more profound this season than at any point during the Jonny Flynn era for the obvious reason of his size, but more importantly, there was an attention to detail against the Heels that has been hit or miss in the zone in the past. Rautins and Johnson are both very smart in how they read shooters and non-shooters as they catch the ball. Rautins' seven steals demoralized the Tar Heels.

 

Offensively, the Orange played to their strengths and looked like a polished team. While their sets are fairly simple, their spacing was outstanding, their shot selection was solid for the most part and their guards took shots they could make. Kris Joseph gives SU a gunner off the bench and Triche looked far more polished than his sophomore opponent, Larry Drew II. Triche is not explosive, but he is fast with the ball, has a strong body and like Rautins and Johnson, is much more disciplined in defensive technique than Flynn. That kid has been coached well.

 

So does this impressive MSG performance mean Syracuse is the new Big East favorite? Well, UConn struggles to shoot and has no big men at the level of the Orange. Nova still seems to be searching for what it lost in Dante Cunningham. Georgetown has three good players, but unless the Hoyas bore you to death, they are not winning the Big East. Louisville was really impressive against a undermanned Arkansas team, but no one can trust Edgar Sosa to be consistent yet. Pitt is missing its top two guards and the Panthers are down anyway. WVU has two great wings, but without Alex Ruoff, can the Mountaineers shoot? And how good is their point guard play?

So the more you watch Syracuse -- and the more you think about the Big East big picture -- the more you buy in to the Orange. Maybe, just maybe, they are the best team in the conference.

As we take a breath and realize that these were indeed two "home" games, against two teams could and should look very different come March, there is still no way to not be impressed by Syracuse's two-day performance. Gone are the "look at me" tactics and shenanigans of Eric Devendorf. Gone is the ever-frustrating and tantalizing athletic gifts of Paul Harris. Gone (regrettably) is the smile and big-play ability of Jonny Flynn. But they are replaced by a more blue-collar, defensive-oriented, ego-less cast that may in fact prove to be more successful.

Here are 10 more things I took away from two nights at the Garden:

1. Wesley Johnson is the real deal. Though he is not a break-you-down ball handler, he does have solid a couple of dribble moves to get to the basket. Johnson is "NBA long," has improved his jumper steadily over the last few years and is a legit threat for Big East Player of the Year. Rarely are transfers as good as advertised, but those of us who knew him as a lightly recruited prep school stud are not surprised. Johnson's only flaw is a tendency to take long, contested jumpers, but he makes up for it with really good fundamentals and consistent work ethic on the boards and on defense.

2. Roy Williams cost his team any real shot at competing by yanking Larry Drew early in the second half. Lost in the midst of a 22-1 run to begin the half was Williams taking out his only real point guard and laying in to him a bit on the bench. Additionally, Williams chose not to call a timeout and his team was left helpless with Will Graves hoisting a pair of bad shots and Dexter Strickland looking overwhelmed at the prospects of dissecting the Cuse zone. The game means little in the long run for UNC, but it got away from the Heels in a hurry with Drew on the bench.

3. Andy Rautins' lack of ego is the difference so far. Rautins had seven steals, took good shots and was constantly hugging and encouraging his big men during the breaks. While Johnson is the star in terms of talent, Rautins seems to have everyone's respect and is using his powers for good, not evil.

4. Evan Turner has the attention of everyone at this and the next level. Though he is not a point guard, his passing and ball-handling continue to impress, as does his ability to use his body and strength. OSU is a B.J. Mullens (or a Jared Sullinger) away from competing for a Big Ten title. Might Turner stay one more year and wait for that No. 2 recruiting class to arrive? He could have been a lottery pick this summer, but he still does not really have college 3-point range. Let's just say that stranger things have happened. One side note: Mullen has yet to play a minute in the NBA.

5. Cal is in for a long month or two if Theo Robertson does not play. With trips to Kansas, New Mexico, Pacific and a big home game against Iowa State, Robertson and Harper Kamp need to be in uniform for the preseason Pac-10 favorite to have any sort of decent out-of-conference showing.

6. Duke is the favorite in the ACC. While the Blue Devils lack depth in their backcourt, there is simply no comparison between Nolan Smith, Jon Scheyer, Andre Dawkins and Kyle Singler and what UNC is throwing out there right now. Syracuse would have made a lot of teams look inept Friday night, but Strickland, Graves, Drew, Leslie McDonald and Marcus Ginyard are just not elite-level ACC players.

7. Jerome Randle might have the most range for a small guard since Michael Adams. His ball barely spins, but it is soft and he is comfortable three steps behind the NBA line.

8. John Henson has no position. He is not a 3 and simply could not play the 4. But when you look at his body next to Wesley Johnson, you realize what he will look like in four years. If Carolina and its players have patience, the next couple years will be special.

9. William Buford and Kris Joseph might have been the two most offensive-minded players in the gym during these two nights. Whether it is their established role or simply the role they want to establish, each is looking to shoot nearly every time they touch the ball.

10. While St. John's might not be up to task and the Knicks are an unmitigated disaster, it is obvious that New York City is dying for some good basketball. With many of the top-15 teams in the country set to stop by throughout the season, the fantastic showing in terms of attendance and the atmosphere this week was a sign bigger than the LeBron billboard outside the Garden. It was a sign that hoops is still very much welcome in the city that never sleeps.

Doug Gottlieb is a college basketball analyst for ESPN and a contributor to ESPN.com. "The Doug Gottlieb Show" can be heard weekdays from 4 to 7 p.m. ET on ESPN Radio and ESPNRadio.com.

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I actually enjoyed this one...

But he was still wrong, whether he’ll admit it or not.

by FirmKick on Nov 21, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

According to Gottlieb and Katz...

Everyone else in the country will improve before March, but not Syracuse. What the hell is up with that mentality? Why minimize these two games in any way at all? Syracuse will also grow – Triche is a freshman, Scoop hasn’t played in 2 years, Johnson hasn’t played competitively in 2 years, Joseph is sure to improve, Jackson is still maturing, and AO is just getting his legs under him. Syracuse beat two very good teams that were so highly thought of that they were ranked in the top 12. Most teams will improve, so I’d rather start like this than with a moral victory that promised good things in the future.

by DMF on Nov 21, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Again

He drops the NYC is a home game crap. If this game was in Philly, would he be saying the same thing?

Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10

by PoetryInMoten on Nov 21, 2009 6:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes

If it is within the borders of the lower 48 it is a home game. Hence, years ago the Alaskan Shootout games were not home games. However, the upcoming game against Florida in Tampa will be a home game for Syracuse.

Seriously tough, announcers are calling that Florida game on a neutral court. WTF – they can’t have it both ways. Call it neutral for Syracuse at MSG then! I loathe those talking heads.

by DMF on Nov 21, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

Last year when we beat Kansas they did say it was a road game.

by adselver15 on Nov 21, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was at last nights game

with a bus of SU students and it was definitely not a home game. I was shocked to see more UNC fans than Syracuse fans there. We made more noise, but their was slightly more blue than orange

CUSE '13

by bspaul11 on Nov 21, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

someone needs to ask him...........

then is it a home game when north carolina goes to duke or wake forest???? both of those schools are signifcantly closer to the dean dome than msg is to the carrier dome

by 86trash on Nov 22, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Gottlieb is pretty spot on

It’s a measured response. I think he’s pretty close to reality with this one.

by Hoya Suxa on Nov 21, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He really doesn't bother me

A few years ago he predicted we wouldn’t make the tourney and we didn’t.

Now Tom Brennan seems to be openly happy when Syracuse stinks. Not sure who pissed in his maple syrup…

by ezcuse on Nov 21, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think it's just a smugness and negativity whenever he gets a chance to talk about Syracuse on TV.

Though really, he should be thanking the 2005 SU squad every day he’s on ESPN because if not for that upset, no one outside of Vermont or Dick Vitale’s house would know this guy’s name.

by voteprime on Nov 23, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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