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Mount Cusemore

Mount Rushmore is one of those monuments that gets waaaaay more credit than it deserves.  I mean, nothing very American ever happened there and the only reason it was created was to attract more tourists to South Dakota.  It's like the nature version of a Vegas casino.

But, much like how "gate" is now the go-to addition to any controversy, Mt. Rushmore has cemented itself as the go-to standard when we measure greatness in any aspect...even though you wouldn't say that all four of the folks up there are necessarily our four greatest Presidents (swap one Roosevelt out for another, perhaps).  But now, when you want to figure out who are the greatest and most significant people associated with something, you ask "Who are the Mount Rushmore of Fill In The Blank." 

And since ESPN has taken it upon themselves to do that for each state, it seems as though there is no better time than to figure out...

Who are the Mount Rushmore of Syracuse?

I think we can all agree that three of those slots are non-negotiable.  Jim Boehiem, Jim Brown and Ernie Davis.  I don't really need to go into detail defending the face of Syracuse basketball, the greatest college athlete of all-time and the first African-American Heisman Trophy winner.  They're in.

As for the fourth spot?  Hmmm...now it gets tricky.  So many variables to consider, so many options.  Let's run them down, shall we?

Wilmeth Sidat-Singh - If they ever make another movie about a Syracuse athlete, Singh will probably be it's subject.  You think Ernie Davis had it rough?  How bout being an African-American star athlete in the 30's?  Now imagine being an African-American star athlete in the 30's who was being passed off as Hindu?  And then you had to miss games because local reporters wrote scathing articles about you?  Yeah America!

Singh was SU football's first real star player, he also played basketball and he even went on to play professional basketball before joining the army and the historically-important Tuskegee Airmen.  SU retired his number in 2005.

Ben Schwartzwalder - When SU and West Virginia play each other in football, they play for the trophy that bears his name.  Schwartzy oversaw the "golden age" of Syracuse football from 1949 to 1973.  He recruited and coached Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Jim Nance, Floyd Little and Larry Csonka just to name a few.  And his 1959 team won Syracuse's lone national title.  He was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1982.

Roy Simmons, Jr. - If Roy Simmons Sr. is the Godfather of Syracuse Lacrosse, Roy Simmon's Jr. is it's Daddy.  He took over the Orange lacrosse program in 1971 and retired 26 years later with a record of 290-96 (.751). During that time the Orange had 19 NCAA playoff appearances, 16 straight Final Fours, and NCAA national championships in 1983, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, and 1995.  He is a member of quite a few Hall of Fame and responsible for turning Syracuse into the preeminant college lacrosse program in the nation.

Dave Bing - As OrangeHoops puts it, "Dave Bing, the greatest player in Syracuse history, could do it all on and off the court. He led the Orangemen in scoring all three years, and was the all-time leading scorer until Sherman Douglas came along two decades later. Bing was a prolific scorer with a sweet shooting touch, but also a fantastic passer (if assists were official statistics throughout his career he would have racked up quite a few), and a phenomenal rebounder. As one NBA scout said, Bing may not have been the best at anything, but nobody was able to do as much as him."

Gary Gait - The Michael Jordan of lacrosse.  He did things no one had ever done before while playing for the Orange, not least of which was the Air Gait.  While there, the Orange went to four Final Fours and won three National Championships.  He left as the team's all-time leading scorer (since eclipsed) and named National Player of the Year twice. 

If that's all Gait did, he would be up for serious consideration.  But factor in his success as coach of the Women's Lacrosse team, whom he led to the Final Four in his first season and his resume just keeps going.  Also, he is responsible for the greatest PSA ever made

Derrick Coleman - He is #2 all-time in Syracuse history in scoring.  He is #1 all-time in rebounding, in spite of the fact that he played alongside Rony Seikely and Billy Owens.  He was a part of the 1987 team that went to the Finals, named Big East Player of the Year his senior year and All-Big East First Team three times.

Donovan McNabb - The most notable player of Syracuse football's "modern era."  Donovan's teams didn't win national titles but they did win three Big East crowns and play in two "BCS" bowls.  He was named Big East Offensive POY three times and Big East's Offensive Player of the Decade.  Also named to Syracuse All-Century Football team.

But it was Donovan's charisma and his ability to create on the field that made him so memorable.  Every Syracuse fan from the late 90's has a favorite Donovan story.  Syracuse has yet to find a worthy successor to him at the position.

Carmelo Anthony  - Anthony did more in one season at Syracuse than most players do in four.  While certainly not the only reason, he is credited with leading the Orange to their 2003 National Title.  He is the one-and-done player by which all one-and-done players will be measured.

If that was the whole story with Carmelo, I wouldn't have put him on the list.  But it's what Carmelo has done since leaving that warrants consideration.  His name will be on the new practice facility that he donated funds to build and he continues to return to the University to give back.  It's only a matter of time before his jersey is retired and as the years pass his legend will only grow.  A vote for Carmelo would be a vote for what-will-be.

DOCTOR Daryl Gross - Kidding.  He WISHES.

I'm sure there are other athletes, coaches and maybe even an AD or two whom you could make a case but at least to me this is the appropriate list.  At first glance, I'm thinking it's Simmons, but then I wonder if it should be another coach.  And shouldn't there be a basketball player up there since we have two football players? 

But it's not my decision.  It's our decision.  Okay, it's not really anyone's decision because this is all a silly exercise but, well, cast a vote and let's see who sticks.

(H/T: Brian G)

Poll
Who deserves to be the 4th Head on Mount Cusemore?
Wilmeth Sidat-Singh
16 votes
Ben Schwartzwalder
42 votes
Dave Bing
43 votes
Roy Simmons, Jr.
71 votes
Gary Gait
69 votes
Derrick Coleman
6 votes
Donovan McNabb
64 votes
Carmelo Anthony
66 votes
Someone Else (write in comments)
11 votes

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The Orangeperson Of The Decade

Dec 2009 by Sean Keeley - 18 comments

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I think you have to go with a lax figure. It may not have the prestige or popularity of football or basketball, but it is our most successful sport. Cuse is actually a mecca for lax and the name might mean more in lax circles than it does in football or basketball circles. And I know Jim Brown played lax and might have been the greatest player ever, but he will always be associated with football, even to people at Syracuse. I say Gait. But Roy Simmons, Jr. is just as good.

by NOLACuse on Jan 29, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In agreement

While Brown played lacrosse, someone who’s a figure head for that sport has to be represented.

by Jameson_Fleming on Jan 29, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on lacrosse and Gait.

Gait was the early face of lacrosse and the reason that Syracuse has become a mecca for lacrosse.

by voteprime on Jan 30, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sadat-Singh’s story is really amazing, and is sadly unknown to most ’Cuse fans. He gets my vote.

Go, fight, and win.

by Alex O on Jan 29, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great Poll

I think this is one of the best polls I’ve been a part of in a while. Even though I’d love to put Wilmeth and Coach Schwartz up there, our lacrosse team should be represented by Roy Simmons, Jr.

Go Cuse!!

by jrousseau81 on Jan 29, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good call about Simmons Jr.

I voted for Gait, largely because I agree with NOLACuse’s argument that lacrosse HAS to be represented, because when you think college lacrosse, you think Syracuse. Or at least, you should :)

But Alex O brings up a great point – a totally unknown story that is pretty amazing. I just think it suffers from being so unknown for so long.

"(BARF)" - Donovan McNabb, during his game winning drive against Virginia Tech in 1998

by kotite4ever on Jan 29, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

OUTRAGE!

No Marvin Graves?!?

Shame on you good sir. SHAME ON YOU.

by Cody K on Jan 29, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gait

I actually voted for Gary Gait. Maybe I romanticize it, but growing up he was the guy that made EVERYONE want to be a lax player. He made lacrosse cool and badass and ushered the sport to new heights or popularity.

C’Mon, how cool was Air Gait?? (plus he had the best mullet EVER – but I couldn’t find any pics of it)

by Cody K on Jan 29, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No place to vote for the magician himself?

by mcsteve on Jan 29, 2009 6:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Vic Hanson & Others

You know simply from a historical standpoint, Vic Hanson should be an option. He is ONLY PERSON EVER to be voted to the Collegiate Football AND Basketball Halls of Fame. No one from any other school anywhere at any time has done that. Some people think he was a better athelete than even Brown or Davis. I’m just sayin’.

Gary Gait was a great call, you may want to put Mike Powell on there. As much as I love Donovan, I would vote for Don McPherson before I voted for Donovan.

by mcallj on Jan 29, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Two things

One, FDR is vastly overated for a President. The Great Depression lasted another 10 years under his watch, and the New Deal was largely a failure. WWII was good though.

Two, and more importantly, is Carmelo really winning? I love the guy but he was only there one year. Gait or McNabb I say

by smann on Jan 29, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gary Gait PSA

i love the apathetic monotone voice. Although this one is easily a contender for best PSA:

by sinep on Jan 29, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Art Monk

Where is he on this list? You cannot have a list of anything all-time Syracuse without Hall of Fame WR and Hall of Fame human being Art Monk.

by orangemen315 on Jan 30, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gotta go with Gary Gait

They banned his move ’cause he was able to score so easily! He is arguably the best person ever to play Lacrosse so in Syracuse world I vote for him to be chiseled into rock.

by sportzbelle on Jan 30, 2009 11:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rawr!

Here you go, Belle – an action shot of the Silver Fox at work!

by Cody K on Jan 30, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks Cody

awesome that he’s playing again too! (with his twin as his coach no less)

by sportzbelle on Jan 30, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jordan C. Wells

The only football coach to have a worse winning percentage than Greg Robinson.

by GrossSuperman on Jan 30, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pearl Washington

He should at least get a mention. What he did for the program during the classic Big East 80s was huge. Unfortunately, I think highlight clips don’t capture the overall impact of Pearl very well.

But I voted for Gait. He (and his brother) changed lacrosse.

by Weirdsli on Jan 30, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Those Not In Poll

Among the other stars that deserve mention, but were not mentioned in the poll, I would include

1) Gene Mills 2 time NCAA wrestling champion, cheated out of almost certain Olympic gold by President Jimmy Quitter’s boycott of the 1980 Olympics.

2) Dave Giusti, MLB All Star, pitched the ’Cuse into the Final 4 of the 1961 College World Series,

3) Marty Glickman, All American football player and track sprinter-cheated out of his chance to run on the gold medal winning 4×100 relay team in the 1936 Berlin Olympics by the anti-Semitic head of the US Olympic Committee.

4) Vic Hanson—captained baseball, football and basketball teams while at the ’Cuse (1923-27). Played both professional basketball and professional baseball. Enshrined in both the Basketball Hall of Fame and the College Football Hall of Fame.

Also: as an alumnus of Penn, but a fan of the’Cuse (and in the stands for Air Gate) what’s up with Cody K’s anti-Semitic JewPenn diss?

by philatsun on Jan 30, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not Anti-Semitic

That is not meant as an anti-semitic comment at all.

Really, it’s just poking fun at the fact that UPenn has an extraordinarily high % of jewish students! Many of which were my close friends, might I add.

by Cody K on Jan 30, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We know where you live, Cody.

Vic Hanson is probably someone who should have been on the list. Maybe this calls for a " Historical Syracuse Athletes You Should Probably Know" feature.

by Sean Keeley on Jan 30, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Mt. Crapmore, Syracuse edition?

What about the most depressing figures in Syracuse sports history?

Nominees:
- Greg Robinson. Duh.
- Dr. Daryl Gross. Obvious.
- DeShaun Williams. Punching Otto does it for me.
- Billy Edelin. Even though he helped us win a ring, he was a rough ride.
- WInfred Walton. Biggest disappointment ever, for me.
- Cecil Howard. Unsure about this one.

by MannyJello on Jan 30, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's a great idea

I will be mulling this weekend

by Sean Keeley on Jan 30, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

matt konecny

devin brennan mcbride

by 86trash on Jan 30, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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