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Villanova, The Cause Of And Solution To All Of Life's Problems

Lots of rumblings and grumblings in Big East Land lately over the fate of the conference and what the appointment of John Marinatto means.  If you're a basketball-first fan, Marinatto represents business-as-usual and a focus on maintaining the long-standing traditions of the conference and keeping the basketball core strong. If you're a football-first kind of person, the appointment might concern you as it's another basketball-first guy who won't really make the  necessary decisions to ensure that Big East football is consistently ahead of the curve.

I was mulling it all over last night (at least I assume I was mulling, I'm not quite sure how one mull's but I', pretty sure I nailed it) and I think I figured it out.  It's all so simple, really.  All we need is for one thing to happen and it will solve everyone's problem and ensure that Big East will have taken the necessary steps to move the football side forward without diluting the basketball side.

We need to convince Villanova to play Division 1-A football.

1.The Elusive 9th Football Team

Marinatto is quoted as saying there isn't a school out there right now that works for the conference in terms of expanding to a ninth team.  But a ninth team is vital to the health of the conference as it will allow for 4 & 4 home and away scheduling and, let's face it, the conference need at least one more team to look a little...meatier.

Well if there's no team out there that meets our criteria, let's create one.

We know that the Wildcats have flirted with the idea before but money has been a major sticking point.  Hell, Villanova lost $3 million in 2006 alone just from it's football program.  So in these harsh economic times, the Big East needs to do what any smart, capatalist, survival-of-the-fittest society would do...bail them out.  Let's put together a loan package that Nova can use to upgrade facilities and make the move.

On the field, the Cats are peaking.  They've had a winning season every year since 2006 and they're currently 8-2 this season.  Much in the same position UConn was in when they came up to the Bigs.

The big concern has to be a stadium.  Temple plays their home games at Lincoln Financial Field, home of the Eagles.  Why not work with the Owls to figure out some sort of Giants-Jets scheduling plan so that you can share the stadium on Saturdays?  Surely that'll cut down costs for both parties as well.  Assuming the two teams play each other every year that eliminates one home game concern right there.  Throw in a couple Thursday/Friday night games as well and it really can't  be that hard to split 18 weekends amonst 12-14 home games.

Speaking of UConn, if you're worried that the Wildcats would just be the new doormats, look to the Huskies.  The Huskies went from 1-AA to 1-A in 2000.  In a matter of 7 years they had a share of the Big East Conference crown.  And don't forget South Florida.  They didn't even exist until 1997.  Ten years later they got all the way up to #2 in the country.  So things can happen pretty quickly for a program with the right personel and recruits. 

#2 Basketball Remains Status Quo

The worry about attracting a Memphis or an East Carolina is that we're going to have to take on their basketball program and add it to an already overstuffed league.  At 16-teams the Big East is at it's max already and some would argue it passed it about three or four teams ago.  That said, 16 is a nice perfect number.  It allows the conference to make the Big East Tournament into a mini-NCAA Tourney without leaving anyone out.  A 17th team would cause headaches and only add to the scheduling nightmare that is Big East basketball.

But Villanova's already a basketball team.  No changes, no alterations, no issues.  No muss, no fuss!

#3 - Big East Football Gets Philly Back

The one saving grace that Temple had during it's time in the Big East was that it brought Philadelphia to the table.  At the time, the Big East had a presence in every major city in the Northeast (Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh and NYC kinda).  When BC left, they took the lucrative Boston market (heehee) with it.  And when we booted Philly, so went that city as well.  We'd love to get either of them back if we could.

But you go to war with the TV markets you have, not with the TV markets you need or want. Here's what we've got right now:

  • NYC* (Rutgers) - #1 TV market
  • Tampa (USF) - #13 TV market
  • Pittsburgh (Pitt) - #23 TV market
  • Hartford (UConn) - #30 TV market
  • Cincinnati (Cincy) -#34 TV market
  • Louisville (Lville) - #50 TV market
  • Morgantown/Charleston (WVU) - #65 TV market
  • Syracuse (Cuse) - #81 TV market

Yes, technically Rutgers is NYC's college football team but it's really more a relationship of convienence.  They're NYC's adopted college football team. They light the Empire State Building up scarlet red when it's a big game, sure.  But you can be sure that no New Yorkers are getting up at 8am on a Saturday to make the drive down to New Brunswick.

Philadelphia is a Big East market and it needs to be represented in the conference.  Rutgers cannot be all things to all people and it's already a stretch to consider it NYC's team.  There's no way they're close enough to curry favor in Philly.

Taking on Villanova solves the entire problem.  Philadelphia instantly returns to the conference and provides the Wildcats will a plethora of (pinatas) new and exciting scheduling options.  Rutgers isn't THAT far away...about an 90 minute drive, give or take.  The rivalry with Pittsburgh will blossom fairly quickly.  If they're smart they'd schedule Temple every year and create an in-city rivalry.  And if they're feeling especially audacious, bring on the Nittany Lions, although be prepared to play over there a helluva lot more than you play at home.

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I know, it's not something like this can happen overnight.  But if the Big East was smart, they'd be working on a way to get this ball rolling again ASAP.  Otherwise, we're going to be forced to do something we don't want to do eventually...much to East Carolina's delight.

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Yeah sure take another recruiting base away from SU haha. This works perfectly for the conference, awful for Syracuse.

by Jameson_Fleming on Nov 18, 2008 12:02 PM EST   0 recs

post title

As a drinker and as someone with a Homer Simpson – themed screen name, I take great offense to the title of this post.

As for the NYC market, would they associate more with Rutgers or UConn?

by MrPlow99 on Nov 18, 2008 12:25 PM EST   0 recs

Rutgers

I’ve always been under the impression that New Yorkers respect/identify with Jersey more than Connecticut. Jersey is at least unique while Connecticut is just WASPy, therefore Rutgers gets a nod, UConn does not.

by NOLACuse on Nov 18, 2008 1:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

WASPY or Guido

Either way, NY’s loyalties lie with whoever they think the better program is. Its UConn for basketball and has been for a while.

by ryanwk628 on Nov 18, 2008 2:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

‘Nova makes SOME sense….but there’s another school that’s a little more of a longshot but one with FAR more upside. You gotta make a deal with the devil:

Notre Dame.

First and foremost, you let ND keep their existing TV contract with NBC. You would basically have to allow ND to keep all of their in-place “important” rivalry games as well: USC, Michigan, Michigan St., Purdue, and BC. So that’s five games – which leaves seven remaining dates, which could be scheduled as 4 home BE games for ND each year (like I said, you give them a sweetheart deal).

But that would allow the BE to piggyback on ND’s TV contract. If they get four home dates, that is four nationally televised games involving BE schools. It sucks because some years BE schools would have 3 home BE games – but the added exposure is worth its weight in gold.

You just have to figure out a way to incite ND to do it; the BE needs them in fball moreso than ND needs the BE. I don’t know what the lever is, but perhaps there is a way to tie it to hoops?

by Cody K on Nov 18, 2008 12:39 PM EST   0 recs

Didnt we have this discussion once before?

I’m having flashbacks. I was working under the assumption that Notre Dame will never join the Big East for football. If they ever do join a conference it will be the Big Ten.

by NunesMagician on Nov 18, 2008 12:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

A man can dream

Just because I refuse to give up on my dreams doesn’t make me a bad person Sean.

Damn you…..you dream-masher.

by Cody K on Nov 18, 2008 12:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

What about Georgetown?

Dosent Georgetown have D1AA football? They are in a better spot to recruit considering how many good kids there are in VA. Also if they conference does ever split we would still be in the same league as them. The DC/B-more area is a pretty big market too with 2 NFL stadiums.

by ryanwk628 on Nov 18, 2008 12:47 PM EST   0 recs

Being able to root against GTOWN in football, basketball, and lacrosse every year? What a dream come true.

by Jameson_Fleming on Nov 18, 2008 1:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I just assumed

Villanova was farther along and in a better position. But hell, I’ll take Georgetown and DC too.

by NunesMagician on Nov 18, 2008 1:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Problem is...

‘Nova and G’Town are both private schools that are even smaller than Syracuse. While Syracuse gets a fan base from the town, those schools are located in large cities with pro teams and other diversions. As a result they have no fan bases for football.

On the field Georgetown is so pitiful at football that even if they could get 50,000 people to show up for a game it wouldnt help the Big east to have them.

While Villanova is a good 1-AA team, they have no fan base. If students and locals aren’t willing to watch a good 1-AA team in an on-campus stadium, why would they be willing to go to a stadium 30 min from campus to watch their team get pummeled in 1-A competition? Penn State and the Eagles are the only football teams in the hearts of Philly locals anyway.

The Big East would either be better stealing Maryland from the ACC and kicking ND out for basketball, or letting ECU in for football only.

As an aside, the Big East should offer Notre Dame the ultimatum that they either join for football or are out for basketball. We don’t need their basketball team for credibility, and this would force them to either join the Big Ten for football or join the Big East. What would be better for ND? Having a chance to win the Big East or getting buried in the Big Ten?

by poetry in moten on Nov 18, 2008 1:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I will say this for Nova

Being from Philly I would say that the city associates itself with its colleges very well. And Nova is popular. If they fielded a good I-A team people would go to the games, I don’t doubt that. Georgetown on the other hand would probably suffer from the transient/transplant population even if they were good.

by NOLACuse on Nov 18, 2008 2:10 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

maybe...

You might be right about G’town. However, their basketball games are pretty popular here when the team is good so there would be hope for football. I think an even bigger roadblock though, for DC, is U of Maryland football. They are popular even when the team is bad. I definitely don’t see current UMD fans switching to G’town, and I don’t know how many people are left that are willing to go to a college football game every Saturday. Especially for a team that is going to suck for a few years.

by voteprime on Nov 18, 2008 2:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Good call

I don’t think anyone here thought of Maryland at all. That would be one hell of a hill to climb.

by NOLACuse on Nov 18, 2008 2:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

well

either way, its a project and can be done… I just dont want to loose Georgetown if we split the BE ever.

by ryanwk628 on Nov 18, 2008 2:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

pretty sure

i wouldnt emotionally be able to handle losing to georgetown in football. no thanks.

by weiz on Nov 18, 2008 2:17 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Genius

If ’Nova is committed to this track then this is an excellent idea. Georgetown would not be, as their football team is atrocious. They have no shot of moving up to the BCS level anytime soon. Villanova has at least put an actual player in the NFL (B Westbrook).

by SyraJosh on Nov 18, 2008 1:10 PM EST   0 recs

I like this idea

I think it would work out great. To those who say it would only further detract from our recruits, I think our big recruiting problem is that we suck and our coach did not (feels good to say that) know how to recruit the NE. You could say we might, but if it strengthens the BE it could just as easily win us recruits who would otherwise go to the Big Ten or ACC.

As for ND, they won’t join. They are just too arrogant. Maybe several more shit-like seasons will shrink their head, but I doubt it.

by NOLACuse on Nov 18, 2008 1:37 PM EST   0 recs

The Big East isn't the Sun Belt

Perhaps this idea could work. I don’t think that the viability of Villanova becoming a 1-A should matter to the Big East.

The conference isn’t so lame that it needs to place its future on cultivating a program that bleeds money and would need to convince an NFL-centric city to pay attention to it. The Big East has enough cred to add a team that already has a decent program.

Going after ECU is the best plan. In college sports, I believe market-size is overrated. Fans in smaller markets appreciate having big-time sports more, and support college teams through bad times.

Furthermore, schools in big markets have a hard time expanding, regardless of funding. Even if ‘Nova or G’Town had T.Boone Pickens bankrolling a facilities expansion plan, it would be difficult for them to expand because their campuses are packed into developed areas.

In ’Nova’s case they would have to buy up people’s homes and tear down neighborhoods to build new football facilities near campus. Georgetown is in the middle of the city and would be impossible to expand.

The Big East doesn’t need to screw around with that. It is better off adding ECU, a school in a small-town that likely would be able to expand facilities if it is successful.

If the Big East wants to add a 1-AA school, I believe it would be better off with App. St or James Madison, but I don’t think 1-AA is worth worrying about.

by poetry in moten on Nov 18, 2008 2:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

why 12

really…is maryland gonna leave the ACC when the BE doesn’t have the extra $$ that comes from a conference championship in football? not gonna happen. BUT: why does the ncaa say a conference needs 12 teams for a championship? why not 10? if you only need 10, that means everyone plays everyone, plus you have three OOC games left. in my perfect world: the pac-10 already has 10. big 12, and sec have their 12. we get va tech and bc back, send the ’ville and cincy back to conference usa (i think that puts them at 10 for football). so that puts the BE back at 8. penn state leaves the big 10 (they now have 10 instead of 11) and it pretty much forces the irish to join the big east. that way they can still play army, navy and air force every year. (if we win any more games this year, please be this saturday. PLEASE. i hate them). puts the BE at 10.

pretty sure the mt west/wac can do something so there are 10 football teams.

this situation creates an automatic playoff system. which will never happen cause it’s all thought up in my head.

by tazphan23 on Nov 18, 2008 4:04 PM EST   0 recs

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